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Post by The only god Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:44 am

After a few fight using an AA+ suzaku, i realised that agility up isnt the key to beat AA as most ppl try making us think, while fighting against a bayard+ skill 19 only using agility lvl 6, suzaku+ still attacked first. I after tried against different teams with always the same result: agility is way over-vallued
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Post by ryesteve Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:02 am

This makes as much sense as "if you don't have bread, just eat cake". How many people do you think have a AA+ as an option? And do you think anyone is saying to themselves, "I could put this AA+ in my formation, but I think I'm way better off with a high agility monster instead"

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Post by Deemo Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:17 pm

Yeah, you need agility unless you have an AA+, or a team of mostly AA. If you come across someone with an AA or two on their team and they aren't running an agility skill, it is pretty easy to beat them. Agility has proven to be the best skill in the game, and most successful teams run it.

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Post by The only god Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:29 pm

Was thinking about death call, isnt i overvallued in that case? And a pit+ max skill for 150... Agility is good but the price for maxed agility are higher then they should. Sure that not all ppl can afford an AA+, but even less can afford maxed agility monsters
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Post by Deemo Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:32 pm

True enough. But the cost of maxing your own agility monster is far below that of obtaining one, so if you're willing to put in the work it's not so bad. Just takes time and patience, which few people have these days :p

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Post by The only god Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:02 am

Lol behing honest, i would be of the ppl that just buy an agility monster with max skill if i wanted one. I am all but patient
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Post by madambane Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:17 am

I've found agility to be invaluable in some cases. I just woke up so I can't give you specific scenarios but without it, I know I wouldn't have one as many of the events as I did in the bp thing.

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Post by Deemo Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:15 pm

Hey if you have the resources to get an agility (20) monster, I say go for it! Maxing a skill takes a lot of time Sad

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Post by Volrath Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:49 pm

I think someone posted at one point an A+ with 10 agility will hit before a AA+ with no agility.

Even if you use a team with all AA+, someone using a team with the same 2 or 3 AA+ and a pit with 1 agility will still beat you. That one agility affect the entire formation making your AA+ faster than other people's AA+ without agility.

One day, they will come out with an agility spirit. I would like to see what will happen to the game mechanic at that point.

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Post by The only god Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:53 pm

2012/12/21:dark summoner apocalypse... The release of agility spirit lol
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Post by Volrath Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:53 pm

Agility spirit can be released and not impact game a lot of done properly. Look at how they release the hell blaze skill. By only giving a few people these, the game is still in balance

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Post by General Osf Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:00 pm

i can only imagine what the price of an Agility Spirit would be... pretty pretty high
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Post by butters Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:10 am

an agility AA would mean the end of the game. theres a reason there is no agility spirit.

and agility 20 is invaluable because of events like the 15bp event, you cant put your AA's in there

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Post by The only god Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:39 am

Actually, hell blaze and artic tempest arent that good, they cant overpower a whole team since they only do high damage(mostly instant kill) An agillity spirit would allow a full AA+ team with 4x combo... that would be to strong
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Post by Binda Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:51 am

I guess the crux with agility is that it's relative; what's important is how much more agility your team has compared to a certain opponent; moreover, attack priority is a qualitative issue, which means as long as you attack first it doesn't matter if your skill is lvl1 or lvl20

Then again, I may be wrong; do monsters have their own innate speed values? I've heard that, for example, paimon is very fast in battle, and indeed there is a certain order in which monsters attack;; is there anyway to see this value?
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Post by The only god Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:59 am

i only know that higher ranks are faster and that selene would have 34(a little more than a normal A+)
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Post by lucascn Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:57 am

there are many factors effecting speed, agi is absolutely one of the most important.

your comparing is not equal, should be a team with AA and a team with AA and agi, who hit first?

PS:agi 13+, A is faster than AA.
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