is there an AA wyrm with agility skill?

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is there an AA wyrm with agility skill?

Post by aznnutty on Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:05 pm

whats the best wyrm with agility skill? im sin

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Re: is there an AA wyrm with agility skill?

Post by larry378 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:23 pm

there are no AAs in general with agility skill

and the potential of an agility spirit release is highly unlikely due to the catastrophic unbalance it would create due to that priorly stated fact


The best wyrm with agility is lindwurm. hands down.

Every single AA wyrm is winged, and so is lindwurm, so that's your best bet for a top tier wyrm team (AA wyrms and Lindwurm), which will have first strike capability against full AA teams and A teams.

All you need is a Lindwurm+m(15) and your AA+ wyrms will first strike against A teams with 20 agi.

And on top of that, you'll get 4 first strikes against any AA teams that has 15 or less agility, and frankly most high-level AA users prefer full AA teams over hybrid ones, however that may change due to the release of all the species down which are actually threatening species AA combos, so "mix bag" AA combos are going to become more popular (e.g. a mystic, an undead, a demon, a brute, and a crawler, rather than 5 demons, or 5 brutes)

Wyrms at this point are relatively unthreatened by that due to the lack of abundance of useful wyrm down monsters, so AA wyrm teams are very difficult to counter, and therefore can afford to lose rarity/level in exchange for agility.


The best guild for wyrms is actually covert/rancor at A level, because of Lindwurm, and the availability of quite a few nice other ones to make the 5x covert winged wyrms combo with agility at A level. Sin is stuck with nidhogg, who is a unfortunately flightless. However, Lind is strong enough that you can sub him into your Sin wyrm form for a 4x combo (wings, level, rarity, wyrm). However, unlike covert wyrms, sin wyrms are slightly more defensively oriented, so you're better off using a nidhogg because you should be using a ring dragon (dea) which is also unwinged, since that way you will get 4x combo (impulse, level, rarity, wyrm) with ipd, dea, agi (and two others depending on who else you use, but the aforementioned three are the 'core' of an effective sin wyrm form)

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Re: is there an AA wyrm with agility skill?

Post by aznnutty on Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:31 pm

current formation

moon+

banished+

omni+

nihogg+

nwd+

so it comes down to whats the best combos- using a mix team with AA and non AAs, i will lose the level, and rareity combo but would that be worth it for a first strike team, or go with all AA for a full combo team?

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Post by larry378 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:54 pm

Well, that depends on what other dragons you have on-hand

nwd is currently the weakest link on your team because crit isn't that fantastic (it's not bad per se in comparison to NO skill, or other skills like p/strike, slumber, obscure species downs).

Otherwise, if you swapped your nidhogg for lind, you would gain winged combo, so I would suggest that in general. And NWD for MLD (IPD), unless you have a DOD, in which case absolutely swap NWD for DOD

I'm getting into AA wyrms too, was going to do 4xAA+/lind, but now I've decided to go for 3xAA+ /Lind & MLD, since trying to max them is so frustrating especially with the terrible sac fodder loot monsters from this event (1/2bp garbage), so I dropped one from the team, and I personally don't have a DOD for IPD, but my MLD from my A wyrm form has decent skill.

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Post by aznnutty on Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:29 pm

I would gain wing bonus but I would lose sin guild bonus and sin team bonus? Giving up 20% for 15%?

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Post by kyan on Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:53 pm

aznnutty wrote:I would gain wing bonus but I would lose sin guild bonus and sin team bonus? Giving up 20% for 15%?

Not quite. Sin guild bonus apply individually so you'll only lose that on lindwurm, the rest of them get the achievement bonus so you'll only lose same guild bonus for the most part. Species team are not very popular for AA+ as species down hurts and I'm sure a wyrm down is on the way for balance purposes. There are very very few AA+ team that goes for specie bonus because of the lack of choice. You end up with poor skill combination in addition to being vulnerable to species down. Most go for 3x guild, rarity, level and a good combination of skills.

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Re: is there an AA wyrm with agility skill?

Post by aznnutty on Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:26 am

1. going with lindwurm, i would lose the level, rarity and guild. i would only keep wyrm and wing combo

2. other option is to go all winged aa which would give me wing, rarity, level, and wyrm combo but lose my option to strike first.

so whats your opinion?

aa wyrms would consist of banished, moon, dod, wingarm, and maybe gold?

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Post by kyan on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:37 am

The AA+ form you listed is very popular and pretty expensive. Its strong but suffers from bad combination of skills but the wing gives it 15% attack and the high stat of the individual AA+ makes up for having overlapping skills. If you do that, invest in a -atk spirit and change at least one of them to that. I haven't experimented with AA+ winged wyrm myself just from attacking them or defending against them. They are really strong but beatable and I win half the time on defense unless they skill change with +atk in there than they are really really strong.

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Re: is there an AA wyrm with agility skill?

Post by boytitan on Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:40 am

I sold a lind for 2 or 4 ep before reading this cause I figured since he was only a 19 bp dragon he wasnt worth that much T_T.

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Post by kyan on Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:09 am

boytitan wrote:I sold a lind for 2 or 4 ep before reading this cause I figured since he was only a 19 bp dragon he wasnt worth that much T_T.

That's the normal price. Its not worth that much even though its very useful as it is summonable and quite easily summoned with rank A summons.

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Post by boytitan on Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:22 am

Oh kk thanks sorry deleted my comment cause I didnt want to derail

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Re: is there an AA wyrm with agility skill?

Post by raven10732 on Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:58 pm

kyan wrote:The AA+ form you listed is very popular and pretty expensive. Its strong but suffers from bad combination of skills but the wing gives it 15% attack and the high stat of the individual AA+ makes up for having overlapping skills. If you do that, invest in a -atk spirit and change at least one of them to that. I haven't experimented with AA+ winged wyrm myself just from attacking them or defending against them. They are really strong but beatable and I win half the time on defense unless they skill change with +atk in there than they are really really strong.

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I had that form until recently- switched the gold gorger to DEA. Just now, of course, I got myself an Ash Bahamut + and changed out the banished, so there are no overlapping skills.

It has two major weaknesses: Lack of health up, and vulnerable to EITHER covert down or impulse down (either one nerfs two of the five dragons), and unfortunately you'll lose, even when attacking, to a lot of teams with health up and either one of the guild downs mentioned. So be wary- many of the top 100 guys are running health formations with a maxed guild down or two, and you'll have to count on a key miss or two on their end or a key critical or two on your end to win.

Of course, the base stats are pretty unbelievable- 108.9k attack without any buffs.

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