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Post by borix Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:12 am

Hello all, first post for me. I actually wanted to know what a 'prog' is - I see this popping up many times but I cannot seem to find out what it means.

I know now that IPA stands for increase party attack and DEA for decrease enemy attack but it might be a good idea to make a list of common abbreviations that are used for new players.

The FAQ topic on this forum does not hold many FAQ's I am afraid (I have not found one Razz).

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Post by Armitaage Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:20 pm

borix wrote:Hello all, first post for me. I actually wanted to know what a 'prog' is - I see this popping up many times but I cannot seem to find out what it means.

I know now that IPA stands for increase party attack and DEA for decrease enemy attack but it might be a good idea to make a list of common abbreviations that are used for new players.

The FAQ topic on this forum does not hold many FAQ's I am afraid (I have not found one Razz).

prog is short for progression, which is what prog monsters do: they allow you to progress further into the event for which they are for by using less energy/battle points. their exact effect varies, as no two events are exactly alike, but you can usually get these monsters from dark summons only(there was one time when you had to capture it from a cocoon in the event itself. needless to say, a team scrapped that idea pdq)

making this thread a sort of guide for this sure is a good idea, if you can manage it.
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Post by borix Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:25 pm

Thank you. The prog question was my main question but maybe tomorrow I will post a list of abbreviations I have learned in the few days I am on this forum.

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Post by bacsiha Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:01 pm

many people think prog is program lol

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Post by borix Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:09 am

Ok I will try to do my part and add some useful info to this forum (it has helped me a lot :-) ).

Below is a list of skills I copied from the following topic: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Normally these are shortened by simply taking the first letter of the words so Preemptive Strike becomes PS.
Only the skills like Impulse down I have also seen as Imp Down or Imp D.

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Skills that will stack in a formation:

  • Preemptive Strike
  • Slumbering Breath
  • Venomous Breath
  • Critical Rate Up
  • Dodge Rate Up
  • Heal
  • Revive
  • Arctic Tempest
  • Celestial Lightning
  • Hell's Blaze
Skills that won't stack in a formation:

  • Icrease Party Attack
  • Increase Party Defense
  • Decrease Enemy Attack
  • Decrease Enemy Defense
  • Impulse Down
  • Covert Down
  • Psycho Down
  • Demon Down
  • Brute Down
  • Beast Down
  • Agility Up
  • Health Up
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Then you have 'prog' which is a monster that will help you in an event. An 'Event Specialist'.

When people talk about a 'stack' then this is probably a single monster with a skill level of 2 or more. These are used to upgrade a skill when the monster to be upgraded already has a skill level of 4 or more. Plenty of topics about this.

Skills can also 'stack' in your formation which means something like that they all will take effect or maybe even double up (not sure about this).
If a skill does not stack and you have 2 monsters with this skill in your formation than only one of them will work.

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Post by borix Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:14 am

This is only quick and dirty but hopefully it will help somebody.

Now another question from me: what does it mean when people add m+ or +m to a monsters name.

Does this mean the monter is maxed in level?


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Post by bacsiha Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:52 am

for example
pit+m(20)
that means Pit+, max level, max skill

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Post by borix Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:11 am

Thank you this is also clear then. :-)

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Post by Armitaage Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:41 am

borix wrote:Ok I will try to do my part and add some useful info to this forum (it has helped me a lot :-) ).

Below is a list of skills I copied from the following topic: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Normally these are shortened by simply taking the first letter of the words so Preemptive Strike becomes PS.
Only the skills like Impulse down I have also seen as Imp Down or Imp D.

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Skills that will stack in a formation:
Spoiler:
Skills that won't stack in a formation:
Spoiler:
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Then you have 'prog' which is a monster that will help you in an event. An 'Event Specialist'.

When people talk about a 'stack' then this is probably a single monster with a skill level of 2 or more. These are used to upgrade a skill when the monster to be upgraded already has a skill level of 4 or more. Plenty of topics about this.

Skills can also 'stack' in your formation which means something like that they all will take effect or maybe even double up (not sure about this).
If a skill does not stack and you have 2 monsters with this skill in your formation than only one of them will work.

since you're resurrecting info that has been neglected by the original poster(not a bad thing to do, don't get me wrong), might as well update it with the latest info:

Mystic down, creation down, and undead down will NOT stack in a formation either, and you understand quite well what it means for skills to stack in a formation. here we are not talking about "stacks of x skill", but about the effect of a skill "stacking" on top of each other by being applied more than once when you go to battle. this second definition of stack comes from mmorpg(mostly men online role playing girls...lol, jk, massively multiplayer online role playing game is the real definition) terminology where certain skills' effects could either be applied on top of each other affecting a given stat, or they can't. this is referred to as stacking effects in those games and has seeped into dark summoner.
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Post by Beatdowncity Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:58 am

A skill stack isn't any monster with a skill over 2, it is specifically skill rank (4) monsters, which is the generally accepted ~100% chance at skill up sacrifice to level 20.

The skills you listed as "Stacking" are actually skills that exclusively buff the monster who has them, which means they do not benefit the party but only the monster who has it.
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Post by Armitaage Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:13 pm

Beatdowncity wrote:A skill stack isn't any monster with a skill over 2, it is specifically skill rank (4) monsters, which is the generally accepted ~100% chance at skill up sacrifice to level 20.

The skills you listed as "Stacking" are actually skills that exclusively buff the monster who has them, which means they do not benefit the party but only the monster who has it.

actually, it IS any monster with a skill of 2 or more. most of the time when people are buying stacks they specify how much skill they are looking for. when they don't specify a number, 4 is assumed, but that doesn't mean it's only 4. incidentally, (4) is not generally accepted as 100% of the time, or even anything close to 100%. a stack of 4 is likely to fail 2-3 times from skill 4 to skill 20 on average. that's almost 25% fail rate on average. a stack of (5), now that is the next best thing to a guarantee. a stack of 5 might fail MAYBE once from 4 to 20, on average. that's about 6.25% fail rate, much lower than a stack of 4. the reason why people go for stacks of 4 instead of 5 is that making stacks of 5 is much harder and, naturally, that means that they're more expensive.
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Post by Beatdowncity Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:23 pm

Armitaage wrote:When they don't specify a number, 4 is assumed,

Exactly, why skill stacks are (4) unless otherwise stated...if you see someone advertising "Selling Skill Stacks; IPA @ 4 EP, IPD @ 3 EP...etc" you assume they are (4), which means that the generally accepted definition of a "skill stack" would be a Monster at skill level 4. A monster with a skill of 2/3/5/6/etc would just be advertised as IPA (5) or IPA (2).

and ~ means effectively equal to, which is actually around 80% chance but a 5 stack isn't worth the effort to makeup those extra 2-3 stacks you need to use to get to 20.
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Post by borix Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:32 pm

LOL you guys go way deeper than I intended but it is interesting. I also thought the stack of (4) was not set in stone (specially now the rules seem to have changed). I just wanted to quickly explain what it means when people speak about a skill stack. There are plenty of topics about them discussing why they should be (4) or (5) and when to use them (but these are not always easy to understand if you do not know what a 'stack' is).

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Post by larry378 Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:45 pm

borix wrote:LOL you guys go way deeper than I intended but it is interesting. I also thought the stack of (4) was not set in stone (specially now the rules seem to have changed). I just wanted to quickly explain what it means when people speak about a skill stack. There are plenty of topics about them discussing why they should be (4) or (5) and when to use them.


functionally it's set in stone. stack is (4)

anything contrary is a semantic argument (Which WOULD have credence in the 'real world' [and no not the tv show, like actual real life with trees, traffic lights, and noisy neighbors]) probably for the sake of someone's entertainment at someone else's frustration in the context of this game

when i post ads to buy skill stacks on rank, and somebody sends me a trade with a bunch of (2)s and (3)s, it annoys the hell out of me.

also there are wayyyyyyy tooo many topics about this.

honestly there needs to be some sort of 'must read' FAQ sticky with simple stuff like +m(x) means maxed with skill level (x), and some other lingo like ep = energy potion (yup, there are people in-game who don't know what energy potions are), stack = (4), etc...

also anyone who asks anything in the must read FAQ should be temporarily banned or something.

I know this is getting to be a bit of a rant, but the entire QA section is practically the same handful of questions repeated ad nauseaum by people too lazy to look for a pre existing thread

honestly. this SAME thread is just halfway down the page

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Post by Armitaage Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:52 pm

Beatdowncity wrote:
Armitaage wrote:When they don't specify a number, 4 is assumed,

Exactly, why skill stacks are (4) unless otherwise stated...if you see someone advertising "Selling Skill Stacks; IPA @ 4 EP, IPD @ 3 EP...etc" you assume they are (4), which means that the generally accepted definition of a "skill stack" would be a Monster at skill level 4. A monster with a skill of 2/3/5/6/etc would just be advertised as IPA (5) or IPA (2).

and ~ means effectively equal to, which is actually around 80% chance but a 5 stack isn't worth the effort to makeup those extra 2-3 stacks you need to use to get to 20.

75-80% is hardly effectively equal to, and i know what "~" means. i chose my words with care enough. we're not discussing what sells, here, but simply creating a dictionary for new players who stumble upon the forum.

a skill stack IS a monster with a skill of 2 or more. that doesn't mean that it sells, necessarily, unless it is of skill 4 or 5.

i can tell you that since i'm not just buying up singles to resell as stacks, (5) stacks have been very profitable for me. i build my stacks slowly, as i keep running out of room, and stacking is an effective way to generate some ep and free up some room at the same time.

@ larry, come now, it's not set in stone, or people would not be offering you stacks of (2) and (3). more to the point, the stone you're looking for is being built as we speak, it's this thread. and it is exactly intended to list all those lingo things like what an ep is, what +m(x) means, and what the hell is a stack. this is the unifying thread you're looking for, help us build it, will ya?
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Post by larry378 Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:38 pm

Armitaage wrote:
Beatdowncity wrote:
Armitaage wrote:When they don't specify a number, 4 is assumed,

Exactly, why skill stacks are (4) unless otherwise stated...if you see someone advertising "Selling Skill Stacks; IPA @ 4 EP, IPD @ 3 EP...etc" you assume they are (4), which means that the generally accepted definition of a "skill stack" would be a Monster at skill level 4. A monster with a skill of 2/3/5/6/etc would just be advertised as IPA (5) or IPA (2).

and ~ means effectively equal to, which is actually around 80% chance but a 5 stack isn't worth the effort to makeup those extra 2-3 stacks you need to use to get to 20.

75-80% is hardly effectively equal to, and i know what "~" means. i chose my words with care enough. we're not discussing what sells, here, but simply creating a dictionary for new players who stumble upon the forum.

a skill stack IS a monster with a skill of 2 or more. that doesn't mean that it sells, necessarily, unless it is of skill 4 or 5.

i can tell you that since i'm not just buying up singles to resell as stacks, (5) stacks have been very profitable for me. i build my stacks slowly, as i keep running out of room, and stacking is an effective way to generate some ep and free up some room at the same time.

@ larry, come now, it's not set in stone, or people would not be offering you stacks of (2) and (3). more to the point, the stone you're looking for is being built as we speak, it's this thread. and it is exactly intended to list all those lingo things like what an ep is, what +m(x) means, and what the hell is a stack. this is the unifying thread you're looking for, help us build it, will ya?

idk, all the information is here, and this may sound cynical, but even a nice looking comprehensive faq will sink to the bottom of the page and into obscurity eventually. Even if stickied it might not do much... Have you seen the price check thread? it's a disaster

half of the requests were answered 5-10 posts before they're asked again, and people are just too lazy to look. I mean there's even a search function.

information in itself is nice, but it's useless unless there's a mechanism to (for the lack of a better word) "cram it down people's throats"

without some sort of formal enforcement by forum admins (a.k.a. stickying the faq, and punitive measures against anyone who asks something which was in the faq), i doubt it'll put a dent in the slurry of identical question and incorrect section posting (people selling things in Q&A etc...))



but when you DO get the formal faq done; please please please make a distinction that stack is (4), those (2)&(3) offers are killing me man. Razz
I post 6 ads (top 3 weekly, top 3 overall), and go about my day. then I see a pending trade notification and get all excited, and every now and then.... nope. it's some joker with (2)s and (3)s and I need to go post ads again. If more people start thinking it's "ok" to label (2)s and (3)s stacks... I shudder to think.


some other stuff about ds lingo

general lingo
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item abbreviations
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Skill abbreviations
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Post by larry378 Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:43 pm

and it said posted was message was too long so I couldn't include this in the prior, so here it is now

monster nicknames



IMPULSE
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Post by larry378 Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:43 pm

continued... too long for single post etc...


PSYCHO
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COVERT
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Post by borix Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:50 pm

Holy crappers I wanted to start a rant about your rant but you made up for it by posting all these things. I even completely forgot about something simple as EP and I did not even want to touch the monster abbreviations (simply because I know only about 4 of them... Embarassed ). Thank you and if I ever try to sell you a stack then I will make sure it is a stack of (4). Not (2), not (3)... but (4) dammit!! Wink

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Post by Armitaage Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:54 pm

err, if I was doing the formal faq, i would denote stack as "A monster with skill greater than (1). if no number is specified, (4) is to be assumed". most smart traders specifically define what they consider a stack in their ads, at least that i see on rankings. most posts look like:

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buying (4) stacks:
ipa, ded, agi 1:2
cov 1:5
and similarly done. btw, bp in your post should read more like "bp = battle point potion OR battle points OR battle point cost of a monster, depending on context", which is the truth.
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Post by Armitaage Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:55 pm

lol, larry, you should add a + to all those monster nicknames, i see one without a + i assume they're talking about the unevolved version, and i'm sure most do too.
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Post by larry378 Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:34 pm

eh, that was the item context.

that all was just a preliminary set of common abbreviations.

stuff like bp/hp can mean a bunch of other things too, I just didn't include it because I didn't think of anything off the bat to justify a section for just that.

although I guess miscellaneous abbreviations could be a section in itself

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this list is by no means comprehensive


eh, with the nicknames and the +s. frankly I'd rather not bother. Hopefully that's something people can figure out by themselves

suffice it to say; a '+' means it is evolved

I would certainly hope we wouldn't need separate lists for every single permutation of a single monster!

wwe = white winged elite
wwe 57 (4) = white winged elite level 57 agility up(4)
wwe+m(­8­) = white winged elite+ level 70 agility up(­8­)
wwe+m(20) = white winged elite+ level 70 agility up(20)

etc...
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Post by bacsiha Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:11 pm

and Vic mean Victoria
If you found the auction of 400 EP and the owner look for Vic+, dont offer a Vic Colossus !

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Post by Armitaage Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:46 pm

yeah, vicissitude colossus is "vcol" or "vic col", not "vic". "vic" is indeed victoria, lol.
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