Skill Level Up combos

reading the skill+ stuff i noticed that it says that the skills do not stack.. so if you have two monsters with Increase Party Attack then only the first one will count rendering the second one useless, or at least making it like a monster with no skill at all. Being unsure what the new monsters A+ skills are and their types I went through the beastiary and searched for desirable combos of monsters maximising the skills. I came to the conclusion that the skills i would want in my party would be: Increase Party Attack, Increase Party Defense, Decrease Enemy Attack, Decrease Enemy Defense & Agility Up.

Here are some possible combos:

Formation 1
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Scrap+, Sphinx+, Bayard+, Elf Commander+ & Whale+
(Combo x2 only but they have the best total stats with those skills)

Formation 2
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Silvery Giddess+, Oppression+, WWE+ & BBV+
(This one is x4 and is psycho/brute, its not as powerful as some of the formations i found but it would be super easy to build)

Formation 3
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Centaurus+, Bayard+, Creep Lord+, EDB+ & Fairy+
(x3 combo covert team, a little tricky to put together but possible to do in short time)

Formation 4
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Scrap+, Faith+, Pit+, FBF+ & Scorn+
(x3 combo impulse team, with two elites this team would be tough to get together fast but i think worth the effort)

Formation 5
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TVG+, Sphinx+, WWE+, Elf Commander+ & Whale+
(x3 combo psycho team, again two elites tough to put together but not bad.. a little less power than the impulse team though)

Formation 6
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Fairy+, Bayard+, Dragonlord+, Creep Lord+ & Centaurus+
(x3 covert team, with no elites and decent stats and hp i think this covert team would be quite easy to put together, not as strong as form 3,4&5 but better than 2 it could be a good place to start)

thoughts are appreciated =D
*are the 5 skills the right ones ??

Wyrm combo any good? I dont know about the Max stat of Tiamut+ and Sky+ so i can't calculate the formation stat... They are not on Yosomono's list

i ahve wyrm/winged combo at the moment.. its not too bad but nwd and faf both have critical rate Up which having one might work out ok.. but having 2 is pointless.. =(

Drag0n wrote:i ahve wyrm/winged combo at the moment.. its not too bad but nwd and faf both have critical rate Up which having one might work out ok.. but having 2 is pointless.. =(

I thought all wyrm are winged.. turns out.... fml

For the impulse team why not use asura instead of scrap and flame tarasque instead of lord of faith? Both are better to fit those roles.

because scrap has way better stats than asura, you could use asura as its easier to get, faith also has better stats than flame but if you wanted you could use that too.

You need to compare their ending stats rather with the stats they begin with. I know its difficult because the beastiary only shows beginning stats only. Both Asura and Flame have way better ending stats than their counterparts.

Verimnathros wrote:You need to compare their ending stats rather with the stats they begin with. I know its difficult because the beastiary only shows beginning stats only. Both Asura and Flame have way better ending stats than their counterparts.

Beastiary has max stats option on the bottom too, but there are still alot more to fill up.
i cant find my Tiamut+ max stat, any1 has it?

Tiamut+ ATK-4464 DEF-4960 HP-5952 BP-15 Decrease Enemy Defense @ LVL70

Verimnathros wrote:You need to compare their ending stats rather with the stats they begin with. I know its difficult because the beastiary only shows beginning stats only. Both Asura and Flame have way better ending stats than their counterparts.

really.. i figured that it would end similar to how it started.. hmmz thanks for the info.. ill have to check out the MAX Beastiary and maybe reconsider the forms =D

My two big questions are:

1. Level one increase/decrease skill is 5%, I believe. Will level 2 be 10% or 6%?

2. What will max skill level be?

If you get 5% more per level and max level is pretty high, then I'd say crit up and agility up are going to be the new best skills.

guess we will have to wait and see =D

Patience will be another option. Remember they said we would be able to change skills as well!

mmm change them drooool

I wish I had enough trade-able stuff to consider Bayard+ so easy to get :p

I hope they include the skill change business they were talking about earlier. I have 3x party attack up in my team right now :\

I think I would go for :
Asura+ (7128-6534-4728 Increase Party Atk)
Bayard+ (7128-4728-6534 Agility Up)
Sphinx+ (6226-6792-4528 Increase Party Def)
NWD+ (7358-4528-5660 Critical rate up) <= since it pass def it's the best skill
fifth slot is more difficult :
FBF+ (6226-5660-5660) or Whale+ (4528-6792-6226) for Decrease Enemy Def
Scorn Black Wings+ (5902-3632-4540) or even Lord of Sloth+ (4994-5448-3632) for Decrease Enemy Atk

I would probably go for Scorn+ since decrease enemy def may be nearly useless when your party scores a critical hit 50% of time, decreasing enemy atk to stay alive seems more important (and even more important if your enemy has critical hit also as it will be the only solution to not get one shot).

Hecatonchyr wrote:I think I would go for :
Asura+ (7128-6534-4728 Increase Party Atk)
Bayard+ (7128-4728-6534 Agility Up)
Sphinx+ (6226-6792-4528 Increase Party Def)
NWD+ (7358-4528-5660 Critical rate up) <= since it pass def it's the best skill
fifth slot is more difficult :
FBF+ (6226-5660-5660) or Whale+ (4528-6792-6226) for Decrease Enemy Def
Scorn Black Wings+ (5902-3632-4540) or even Lord of Sloth+ (4994-5448-3632) for Decrease Enemy Atk

I would probably go for Scorn+ since decrease enemy def may be nearly useless when your party scores a critical hit 50% of time, decreasing enemy atk to stay alive seems more important (and even more important if your enemy has critical hit also as it will be the only solution to not get one shot).

I like the thinking =D

Drag0n wrote:
Formation 2
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Silvery Giddess+, Oppression+, WWE+ & BBV+
(This one is x4 and is psycho/brute, its not as powerful as some of the formations i found but it would be super easy to build)

is formation 2 missing a guy???

I wonder how the overall team stats would be on this set up. Do you have all of them in a formation and could you tell me what they team stat is? Thanks

Is Silvery Goddess winged?

This is what I plan on switching up to.

Anna Thorn Maiden - (14160 / 12980 / 9440) ||Increase Party Defense||
Hellfiend Devil Asura - (7128 / 6534 / 4752) ||Increase Party Attack||
Lewd Twist Lologi - (6435 / 5346 / 6534) ||Preemptive Strike||
Bayard the Steel Horse - (6128 / 4752 / 6534) ||Agility Up||
Nether World Dragon - (7358 / 4528 / 5660) ||Critical Rate Up||

or (to get an Impulse combo)

Anna Thorn Maiden - (14160 / 12980 / 9440) ||Increase Party Defense||
Hellfiend Devil Asura - (7128 / 6534 / 4752) ||Increase Party Attack||
Child of Pit - (5148 / 5616 / 3744) ||Agility Up|
Forsaken Birth Fiend - (6226 / 5660 / 5660) ||Decrease Enemy Defense||
Nether World Dragon - (7358 / 4528 / 5660) ||Critical Rate Up||

Are you sure preemptive strike is that good ? Does all your party attacks first or only Sear or Lewd ?

Hecatonchyr wrote:Are you sure preemptive strike is that good ? Does all your party attacks first or only Sear or Lewd ?

Only the one with the skill attacks first.

I'm curious what leveling up preemptive strike will do though.

Hecatonchyr wrote:Are you sure preemptive strike is that good ? Does all your party attacks first or only Sear or Lewd ?

Just the monster with preemptive goes first as far as i know

segamatic wrote:

Hecatonchyr wrote:Are you sure preemptive strike is that good ? Does all your party attacks first or only Sear or Lewd ?

Only the one with the skill attacks first.

I'm curious what leveling up preemptive strike will do though.

The original news comment they had when they first mentioned leveling up/changing skills mentioned some skills (like preemptive strike) would not be included. Which makes sense, the skill causes you to strike first, leveling it up wouldn't do much.