Dark Summoner and A-Team Fail the Gaming Community

by **Shakes29** Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:55 am

Sunday, January 27, 2013
Dark Summoner is crap
I began Decisive Path event at level 75 with 375 Energy points. I have used approximately 60 Energy Potions and leveled 3 times. I am ranked 694th in this event with 208 Magical Torch sets collected. At the start of this Event I hadn't purchased any Soul Points and have obtained all of my EP through trades. If I were to have purchased Soul Points to buy Energy potions I would have had to spend approximately $60 on Energy Potions. If we were to be awarded Ranking rewards now I would have lost approximately $50 on this event. I was trying for top 500 for the AA that would probably be worth 200-300 EP but it seems I’m going to have to spend another 150 EP on this event just to place in the top 500.

An Hour ago I purchased 7800 Soul Points and used them on Dark Summons. I summoned 26 monsters at the cost of $2.30 each.

Here is a list of what I got for my money.
Child of Pit x2
Sear Djinn
Beelzebub
White Wing Sky Pirate
Charon (rank B)
Quetzalcoatl
Behemoth+(rank B)
Elf Commander
Sturdy White Wing
Horned Demon (rank B)
Typhon Sea Roarer
Sea of Clouds Dragon
Crystal Dragon
Jiangshi Fighter
Lightning Bug
Skeleton Minotaur
Kyuuki
Berith+(Rank B)
Scorn Black Wings
Cruel Black Wings
Tiamut
Fafnir
Stream Rusalka
Toukotsu
Ancient Huge Statue

My first problem with this is that I do about 30-40 Ally Summons each week and I never fail to summon 3-5 of the monsters on this list. I would never knowingly pay $2.30 cents for a monster that I summon for free 3-5 times a week.

With the "Epic" Dark Summons from the Event I have gotten an Elf Commander and 2 Pabilsags... WTF? Really?

My second problem with these $2.30 dark summons is that if I were able to sell them to other players I wouldn’t be able to get more than 30 EPs for them all collectively. If it were my objective to summon monsters to sell for EP I would lose here. I would have been better off buying EP. I could have gotten about 60EPs for my money.

A-Team, in order to increase their sales, decide to encourage us to invite our friends to play and reward us with Ally Invite summons. These Ally Invite summons will permit us to summon the same crap that we get from Ally Point Summons with a remote chance to summon a different worthless creature.

Each week A-Team gives us a new event. With each new Event they introduce new Monsters for us to collect. Each week not a single one of the monsters they give us through the progression of these events is better than the ones we have. Well, the final ranking monsters are the sole exception to that rule. However, in order to obtain one of the Final Ranking AAs you need to dump a couple of hundred EP into the current Event in order to Rank.

Here is why A-Team is failing and losing its customers. There is no Parity in the Game.
Let’s start at the lower levels and work our way up.

At level 3 I can spend 20 Energy Points to complete a mission set and defeat the Boss and “win” an Energy Potion. Using that Energy Potion I can refill my 45 Energy.

At Level 30 I can spend about 190 Energy Points, after consuming an Energy Potion, to complete a mission set and defeat the Boss and “win” an Energy Potion. Using that Energy Potion I can refill my 130 Energy.

At Level 60 I can spend approximately 2750 Energy points, after consuming 7 Energy potions, to complete a mission set, defeat the boss, and “win” and Energy Potion.

Another Example of no Parity in this Game,

A level 30 has to compete against a level 200 for the same rewards. A level 30 has about, 220 Energy Points whereas a Level 200 has ..???800+?

A level 30 player has to consume 4x’s as many Energy Potions as a level 200 player all while competing for the same prize.

The Reality is that there is no Reward for playing this game. You are never, ever ahead. Even if you spend $200-300 per Event on summons and Energy potions you’re always behind because those AA’s are not worth the money you spent to obtain them .

This is the single reason so many people quit this game.

If A-Team knew anything about Business they would know it’s easier to keep a Customer than it is to find a new one. I will never spend another dime on this game because I spent $60 to get the same thing A-Team has been giving me for free for almost 2 months.

A-Team... Hats off to you. Job Well Done.

by **FinestArts** Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:42 am

If your sole purpose was to make EP when you bought soul points you should have bought skill books instead. You could have bought 2 and sold for 45 - 55ep each and still have some leftover soul points for dark summons if you want. Dark summons are just a gamble, sometimes you get lucky and most of the time you don't. If it makes you feel any better (or worse?) i think i've used like 100 dark summons from all the ones i got from event for free, including epic ones and whatever and haven't summoned anything better then a balrog, not a single AA at all.

Also for events you need at least 100-150 ep's to rank in them normally, if its your first event then you'd need at least 200 since your lower level as you say. It seem's like a lot, but there other many other rewards besides the final event AA that you can get that help cut back the costs of events and help profit. Take a look at the "So you wanna rank in DS events?" thread if you haven't already might help out a bit.

by **Deathblob** Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:30 am

If you're going to buy dark summons, do it just as a new event starts.

You can sell/trade any progs you get (yeah, I know, you didn't get any) for a lot more just as an event is starting.

I try to wait for a "pick the best out of two" dark summons campaign that coincides with the start of a new event.

by **sokiz** Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:59 am

Requesting a TLDR version.

by **bacsiha** Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:33 am

poor him
spend 7800 sp to get those monster nobody want
sorry but i hope this is a last time you do this, buy skill book reset next time !

by **dextery** Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:51 am

I completely understand how you feel, I've been there before and I tought it would cost me 100 usd just for top 500 rank but ended up 200 usd. Due to summoning the prog is like gamble.

by **Shakes29** Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:27 pm

Finest,

No my purpose in purchasing Dark Summons was to Improve my monsters and hopefully get a decent AA. According to A-Team the "Free Dark Summons" have a lower chance of summoning an AA than a Reg Dark Summon.

I have 3 very decent Teams and I was winning about 95% of my fights. Since hitting level 65ish I'm only winning about 80%. My Best team is Mesh+M(20), Sky+M(20), DLord+M(20), Lind+M(20) & Quetz+M(6) and the only upgrade to my team is Wingarm+M and I don't have 300ep to get it....

A-Team needs to make it so that people spending money on Dark Summons don't summon crap that are only worth an EP for 3 of them.

by **kyan** Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:45 pm

Shakes29 wrote:Finest,

No my purpose in purchasing Dark Summons was to Improve my monsters and hopefully get a decent AA. According to A-Team the "Free Dark Summons" have a lower chance of summoning an AA than a Reg Dark Summon.

I have 3 very decent Teams and I was winning about 95% of my fights. Since hitting level 65ish I'm only winning about 80%. My Best team is Mesh+M(20), Sky+M(20), DLord+M(20), Lind+M(20) & Quetz+M(6) and the only upgrade to my team is Wingarm+M and I don't have 300ep to get it....

A-Team needs to make it so that people spending money on Dark Summons don't summon crap that are only worth an EP for 3 of them.

They have already done that. You took a gamble and loss. You're complaining that the house took your money at a casino. If you were going for the safe route as many suggested get skill books. In the recent months Ateam have introduce so many high bp AA into the summon pool that ds from soul points are much better deal than they use to be. Getting one of the 40-45 bp ones gets you 200-400ep worth of monsters. Of course you're not going to get one every time and its a gamble. That has already driven the price of ranking AA down from what they use to be. Ranking AA are not all that anymore and many players are either skipping events or the game altogether because if you're not playing events there isn't really much to do in ds anymore and if you can't even recover the ep spend on the ranking AA. There is no point. Ateam is walking a fine line as it is. If it pushes out more AA from soul point summons, the whole system is going to collapse. As it is, the ds economy is tilting that way already. You can't sell crap for ep anymore as there are so much coming out of summons and new monsters being introduce rapidly.

Kyan

by **laylow80** Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:19 pm

Best part about this topic. wasting so much ep and expecting to sell this weeks crappy increased dodge rewards for 250-300 ep haha. you will get at most 150 for this weeks weak monsters

by **kyan** Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:01 pm

laylow80 wrote:Best part about this topic. wasting so much ep and expecting to sell this weeks crappy increased dodge rewards for 250-300 ep haha. you will get at most 150 for this weeks weak monsters

True. No recent reward are worth 300 with very rare exception. Vanity comes to mind. Even a sin winged demon with dea (an essential skill) goes for less than 250 but than sin rewards tends to be lower price.

Kyan

by **kyan** Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:04 pm

kyan wrote:
laylow80 wrote:Best part about this topic. wasting so much ep and expecting to sell this weeks crappy increased dodge rewards for 250-300 ep haha. you will get at most 150 for this weeks weak monsters

True. No recent reward are worth 300 with very rare exception. Vanity comes to mind. Even a sin winged demon with dea (an essential skill) goes for less than 250 but than sin rewards tends to be lower price. 150 maybe be generous. Even igniti is selling for only 150 and carnage is about 80. This event AA is probably value at about the same as carnage.

Kyan

by **Zamiel** Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:23 pm

I always thought the point and fun of this game was navigating the market skillfully - making a profit with each trade and becoming richer than your friends by being the best trader around. Spending real money completely defeats that point. I spent $0.00 and cashed out for $1200. That is what I call REAL fun.

Protip: Dont spend money on games that are not actually good. This is just another Farmville at heart.

by **dextery** Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:12 pm

Really agrees with zamiel. All AA+ player do spend money. Full AA+ player that self proclaim never spend a cent is hypocrit. Judging by game released like 11 months, I will never get you to full AA+ even with trade. Probably AA thats all.

by **robinsonsteve62** Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:36 pm

dextery wrote:Really agrees with zamiel. All AA+ player do spend money. Full AA+ player that self proclaim never spend a cent is hypocrit. Judging by game released like 11 months, I will never get you to full AA+ even with trade. Probably AA thats all.

I have almost a full AA+M (20) TEAM, yea I have spent real money is DS but all on summons and never got anything usefull(some skills but that was it). So even though I have spent money it has nothing to do with me getting my team. I'm so tired of hearing people that just do not know what they are doing always saying that if you have a great team that you spent a ton of money to get that team. If you can't make EP in DS through selling/trading monsters/skills/crystals then there is something wrong with you and stop complaining about those of us that do, I don't make much but I do make EP. and for those retards out there that always complain, my buddy has a whole AA+ team and has never spent 1 cent on this game, he is just very cleaver and works hard

by **kyan** Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:55 pm

dextery wrote:Really agrees with zamiel. All AA+ player do spend money. Full AA+ player that self proclaim never spend a cent is hypocrit. Judging by game released like 11 months, I will never get you to full AA+ even with trade. Probably AA thats all.

I have never spend a cent in this game and I have a full AA+ team for awhile now. You just have to be patient and spend lots of time on it. lol.

Kyan

by **applesauce** Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:16 am

dextery wrote:Really agrees with zamiel. All AA+ player do spend money. Full AA+ player that self proclaim never spend a cent is hypocrit. Judging by game released like 11 months, I will never get you to full AA+ even with trade. Probably AA thats all.

thats not true at all. many of the older AA are cheap now, one can easily assemble a low bp (real) AA+ team(like dru, taroth etc) for a decent price. and as for a "good" AA+ team, well that is also achievable without spending money. i can put on a full AA+ team right now and i know for a fact many people have been play for longer than me, sure it wont really match in bonuses(mix guild, mix species) atm but i have it and didnt p@y a single real cent for it. as for op, he took a gamble and lost in ds, its that simple. as some have said, one could have gone the slow but steady way and bought some skill resets, and/or he could have waited till he was a higher lvl to try and rank but he didnt, the risks are well known, its easy to ask for advice here on the forums, but he went for it, and its not like its anything new either, this is the way the game is played from the very beginning. and as for his "parity" idea, well lvls end at 200 lol theres your parity,

by **Horg** Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:09 am

Knowledge of how the game works gets you a full AA+ team, not soul points. If you spent 30 minutes reading forum threads or asking some veterans how the game works you could have saved yourself 60 USD. Oh, and you can get EP from players, often, at around 3:1 USD (so your 60 USD = 180 EP).

I am one of those hypocritical players who built a good full AA+ team (Wingarm+ DoD+ Kyushi+ Felm+ Odin+) without spending a dime, it really isn't hard but you have to know what you are doing.

After my AA+ team, however, I did spend money on the game, but I sold EP to buy soul points to try and make a profit....wasn't very lucrative lol

by **Scratch102** Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:15 am

Heck if you have read any threads on here about Dark Summons, FDS or FEDS, you'd find out that there is a snowball's chance in hell of getting an AA card....let alone an AAA.

Buying Soul Points and using them for summons is a gamble, and the house almost always wins.

by **Deathblob** Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:31 am

I did see one guy with 3 AAAs in his form today. Level 166, forget the name Smile

. I think one of the AAAs was plussed too, he posted that the stats were something like 18k/22k/22k. I don't remember exactly.

by **God_of_War** Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:44 am

Lol at having to spend to make an AA+ team. I started 1 September so missed the first few months and my team is Bide+, Banished+, Luka+, Sara+ and Adan+ all max skill. Also have a Moonsea+ kicking around. On top of that I have almost 400EP waiting for the next event. All done through trade. You really don't have to spend to succeed.

Just a quick example. Brought a max level max skill Lethargic+ and max level Blue Steel+ off the leaders board for 45 EP a few days back. With one still to finish in auction I will easy make 65 EP+. Just learn some prices and it is not too hard.

by **applesauce** Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:19 pm

Lol the guy with the aaa team must be really rich or supremely lucky, eitherway Im jealous XD

by **larry378** Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:30 pm

Shakes29 wrote:Sunday, January 27, 2013
Dark Summoner is crap...

...
The Reality is that there is no Reward for playing this game. You are never, ever ahead. Even if you spend $200-300 per Event on summons and Energy potions you’re always behind because those AA’s are not worth the money you spent to obtain them .

A-Team... Hats off to you. Job Well Done.

reward?
well; it IS a cell phone game. if you want to gamble for tangible profit; fidelity has an android app that you can absolutely execute trades from.
or you could consider a casino. The reality is there is no reward playing most games; it's for fun. Best case scenario you buy 10 ds and get 5 raminas and 5 ash; that's still X$ that you have spent on soul points which you will never get back. you get some shiny pixels, but you're not getting any real world capital return.

When you buy dark summons you are buying a lottery ticket. There is no guarantee you are going to win. Additionally; a greater number of dark summons by no means guarantees a good return. That's called the gambler's fallacy. each instance is entirely insulated and independent from the rest.

dextery wrote:Really agrees with zamiel. All AA+ player do spend money. Full AA+ player that self proclaim never spend a cent is hypocrit. Judging by game released like 11 months, I will never get you to full AA+ even with trade. Probably AA thats all.

I would say something about this; but it seems that quite a few folks have replied to this exactly how I would have.

I will add though; going full AA+ for free requires a fair amount of patience and restraint (e.g. not buying stupid crap; I have a skillchanged carbuncle+m(20), rather than saving all my ep for AAs over time I did stuff like build a bunch of formation and now aside from my active formation I have 5 full A formations [sin/cov wyrms, sin/psy winged brutes, psy demons] which if liquidated would probably get me one or two more good AAs))and dedication to trading; which is more than some people are capable (time-restriction) or willing to do (e.g. I got tired of updating and running a shop on the forums, so I closed it down and do all my trades on rank now; my ep in-flow has diminished geometrically).

So it is absolutely possible to go full AA+; it just takes time and effort. Not everybody has full AA+ because not everybody has the time and effort to allocate (either by virtue of unavailability or laziness [like me]).

by **Bobertson** Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:04 pm

I admit, I got my start at advancing in the game when I noticed progs were in ice tombs and could be captured with chains. So I bought chains, captured a bunch of progs and sold them. From there on I was able to steadily advance myself. I didn't buy skill books as suggested, but the prog method worked wonders for me and the 4 other people I support that don't have the time I have to play.

It just seemed like a logical way to get ahead for a few bucks. Considering the amount of entertainment, I don't mind. My wife on the other hand...spends like she's at the mall. Rolling Eyes

by **applesauce** Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:13 pm

Bobertson wrote:I admit, I got my start at advancing in the game when I noticed progs were in ice tombs and could be captured with chains. So I bought chains, captured a bunch of progs and sold them. From there on I was able to steadily advance myself. I didn't buy skill books as suggested, but the prog method worked wonders for me and the 4 other people I support that don't have the time I have to play.

It just seemed like a logical way to get ahead for a few bucks. Considering the amount of entertainment, I don't mind. My wife on the other hand...spends like she's at the mall.

lol spending money absolutely can help, and progs are actually one of the best ways to use dark summons, they have a higher chance of appearing during the event and at the very beginning, can sell for ridiculous prices, we're talking 100+ eps for a "good event" sin prog+. and i think for the people who enjoy the game and have a few bucks to spare, why the heck not? you're supporting the company, and getting yourself ahead in something that u enjoy. i myself am too poor to spend, lol, but i probably would if i wasnt a poor college student =p

by **dextery** Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:23 pm

robinsonsteve62 wrote:
dextery wrote:Really agrees with zamiel. All AA+ player do spend money. Full AA+ player that self proclaim never spend a cent is hypocrit. Judging by game released like 11 months, I will never get you to full AA+ even with trade. Probably AA thats all.

I have almost a full AA+M (20) TEAM, yea I have spent real money is DS but all on summons and never got anything usefull(some skills but that was it). So even though I have spent money it has nothing to do with me getting my team. I'm so tired of hearing people that just do not know what they are doing always saying that if you have a great team that you spent a ton of money to get that team. If you can't make EP in DS through selling/trading monsters/skills/crystals then there is something wrong with you and stop complaining about those of us that do, I don't make much but I do make EP. and for those retards out there that always complain, my buddy has a whole AA+ team and has never spent 1 cent on this game, he is just very cleaver and works hard

now this what I love to hear, well instead of self proclaim how smart you are at trade. Let hear a story bout yourself how you manage to pump 450+ ep to your aa+ form :O and with the latest monster.... by selling A's?? Can it get you 450+ep in a month or canot? let alone your full form is pretty awesome. To make it up you know how much your form worth, throu trade from A's starting... you know the drill. Lets hear a story first than Razz

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