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What to do with Liliath?

Post by God_of_War on Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:08 pm

I was fortunate enough to rank for the first time ever (hadn't tried before) in Ice Shard Spire.

I joined the bandwagon immediately after and stuck her in auction, but with the market flooded at the moment seems that it may not have been a wise move. Especially so as some are virtually panic selling her for lower than what I would expect to be her minimum value.

So my question is really for those who have experience in ranking and ending up with desirable unsummonable AAs. Is it better to wait a few weeks for the market to quieten down or sell now? Despite EP cost of event I do not need to sell quick as have a solid EP base, but will do so if the value is likely to fall over the next few weeks rather than stabalise.

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by XJF on Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:50 pm

This is my main concern with ranking.
If i spend a shit-ton of ep ( thinking ~300, 50 for prog, then about 200-250 for decent placing) what happens if I can't sell the AA for a decent profit to make it worth my while?

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by God_of_War on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:37 pm

XJF wrote:This is my main concern with ranking.
If i spend a shit-ton of ep ( thinking ~300, 50 for prog, then about 200-250 for decent placing) what happens if I can't sell the AA for a decent profit to make it worth my while?

My starting level was 87 for event with 479 energy. I ranked 252 so comfortable top 500. My total EP outlay, including having to spend 65EP on Sin prog+, is around 150EP. This takes into account the stuff I could sell won through event, like SOS/SOS+ for 28/62EP , skill stacks 25EP, Cannonfire 20EP etc. So as long as I can shift Liliath for over 150EP which is super easy I am in profit.

Not posted as a brag but just as info for those who are holding themselves back based on perceived cost.

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by EdwardStarbuck on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:44 pm

You could always look to trade for an AA+ that has a more stable price. Getting an Adan+m(20) and another AA+m(20) monster wouldn't be a bad move and you would at least know that you could eventually find a buyer for those guys. People will wait on Lilliath because it's dropping so much. This has happened quite a bit lately.

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by XJF on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:59 pm

God_of_War wrote:
My starting level was 87 for event with 479 energy. I ranked 252 so comfortable top 500. My total EP outlay, including having to spend 65EP on Sin prog+, is around 150EP. This takes into account the stuff I could sell won through event, like SOS/SOS+ for 28/62EP , skill stacks 25EP, Cannonfire 20EP etc. So as long as I can shift Liliath for over 150EP which is super easy I am in profit.

Not posted as a brag but just as info for those who are holding themselves back based on perceived cost.
I wasnt sure if the SoS/+ would be available in this "Den" event. Thought it may have been specific to the previous one, because there wasn't as much of a panic this time.
Howd you get skill stacks from the event? From the creatures in the ice tombs?
Any other minor tips? Seems like it'd be a shit ton of tapping. Is it best to burn all through asap or should I pace myself throughout the course of the event?
Sorry to steal your thread lol

I'm still saving ep so hopefully by the next Shard Spire-esque event I'll have enough to feel comfortable attempting to rank.

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by Event Horizon on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:36 pm

These tower events are some of the worst events to rank in. Very time consuming and with the ep market down (presumed indefinitely).. not very profitable for the time that you need to spend. All the AAs are selling for under 300 (many lower even). With >150 ep that you need to spend. That is a slim profit.

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by God_of_War on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:39 pm

This being my first event I was waiting for a Tower event for a few reasons

1. The extra XP per click
2. I knew from other threads how many floors I would need to rank
3. Possibility of SOS/SOS+

Despite that I wasn't going to go for it unless the AA prize would be easy to resell. As Liliath is a "hottie" a Demon and has a useful skill it seemed a good pick! The previous event AA is now selling for around 80EP as Species, skill and look are all bad.

Yes you get skills from the fragile tombs (around 40% shot to break and then 40% chance it has a skill) and the occasional strong tomb break. Also most of the completed masks were only sacrifice fodder.

You get around 1-2 My EP potions per 100 floors which isn't much but I gained 50 My BP potions total and about 100 of My 100 EP. Once the Death Summoner areas came in (you need a good team to win even with prog) you then gain a lot more gold, had four 2 million drops and lots of the lower ones, and now have 8 Epic Dark Summons and 10 Dark Summons ready for use, and 5 X Soul of Enlightenment A+, I sold another 4 for 6 EP total.

With regard to timing it would have been better to do most floors at the end when the Death Summoner was released but for myself I had more time at the beginning so did most then. Never less than 150 floors a day or more than 400.

Although there is a lot of tapping most can be done whilst doing other stuff like watching Christmas TV!

As a slight aside through selling other stuff I already had during event I started it with 330 EP and finished it with 584 EP and haven't sold Liliath yet! Smile

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by God_of_War on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:47 pm

Event Horizon wrote:These tower events are some of the worst events to rank in. Very time consuming and with the ep market down (presumed indefinitely).. not very profitable for the time that you need to spend. All the AAs are selling for under 300 (many lower even). With >150 ep that you need to spend. That is a slim profit.

Agreed that you do have to pick events carefully with regard to prize value, more so before you have Energy up to a good level. The higher you can get your energy the easier it is to profit. Should make the obvious point that even if in pure EP terms you don't make much you still have gained a lot of levels and energy. Mine finished close to 600 so makes me even better placed to profit next time I go for it. Time is the killer though.

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by XJF on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:35 pm

I was finally able to beat the Death S this time around, it was pretty sweet lol
What events would you recommend attempting to rank in for the first time, EH?

@GoW, I'm level 84 right now, before i'd do it i'd reset my allies and have about the same Energy as you did. I guess I'll just keep stocking EP and wait until there's a good reward for an event that everyone will want, a good psycho Demon or Brute. I'm just fond of Den events because that's the event I started with and frankly I kind of enjoy them. Thanks for the in-depth response

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by Event Horizon on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:04 pm

Fast events. Like the Stalactites (missions) and Sky Passage of Eternity (BP event.. if you're higher level). And/or events with highly desirable AAs.
The tower events do give more xp than most events.. but they have such a massive time requirement.. that there are better ways to profit.

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by XJF on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:17 pm

I feel like the Stactite events would be harder to effectively rank in. Sure, progs give bonuses, but the amount given is completely random. It's not a fixed amount, so I feel luck would be an important factor in these events.

As for BP events I'm sitting around 200BPoints so I'll sit out trying to rank on those until I level a bit more.

Is 200 the level cap?

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by Horg on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:25 pm

The difference is animation time XJF, the missions are quick and have no real interruptions, the tower events are slow and have !@#$ing cocoon/tomb/etc every 3 clicks. Opportunity Cost is actually a large factor in ranking, some events I could have sat out, done other things, and made more EP than getting the AA.

200 is the level cap for now, with all the high BP crap they are throwing at us I would expect it to be 300 soon.

Skill resets are only ~50 EP, I grabbed 2, ranked for the vanity and only spent 80 my BP on it, sold Vanity for 400, profit! Still have 100 my BP for vagrant
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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by Event Horizon on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:31 pm

The amount given is in a range of numbers (you can't get 1 stalactite for example). And every range.. has an average. The difference in ep used is not that great. At most its probably 10 more or less.. something like that. Not really significant. In the bigger picture. Tower events use more ep usually.
And you would want to skill reset anyway for a BP event.
Yes.. 200 is the level cap for now.

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by God_of_War on Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:36 pm

Is not another factor the amount of progs needed? The events where multiple progs stack like the mission ones, would they not cost over 200EP just getting the progs? Or are multiple progs not needed to rank?

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by bacsiha on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:09 pm

change your guild to tyranny or rancor
that's all
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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by God_of_War on Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:31 pm

OK had an interesting offer.

My Liliath 1 (1)

for

Carnage reg max (1)
Death Blade+ max (3)
Taroth+ max (7)
Nyar+ max (1)
Abyss Guard, Cerberus reg level 73 (1)

None are my guild apart from the useless Carnage so will need reselling. Do these prices sound about right. I have deliberately gone low end so that anything higher is a bonus.

Carnage 60EP
Death Blade 70EP
Taroth 70-80EP
Nyar 60-70EP
Cerberus 90EP

So by those prices I could get 350-360 return on a card that I saw go yesterday for just 220, although 250 might be getable. Can someone confirm, or not, my prices.

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Re: What to do with Liliath?

Post by qpwoalsk on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:54 pm

Im sure those guys are worth a bit more, although I can't guarantee it lol.

I've seen DBE+m at 60ish thought, but Nyar+m should be at 100ep.

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