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Post by Event Horizon on Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:18 pm

Skills that will stack in a formation:

  • Preemptive Strike
  • Slumbering Breath
  • Venomous Breath
  • Critical Rate Up
  • Dodge Rate Up
  • Heal
  • Revive
  • Arctic Tempest
  • Celestial Lightning
  • Hell's Blaze
Skills that won't stack in a formation:

  • Icrease Party Attack
  • Increase Party Defense
  • Decrease Enemy Attack
  • Decrease Enemy Defense
  • Impulse Down
  • Covert Down
  • Psycho Down
  • Demon Down
  • Brute Down
  • Beast Down
  • Agility Up
  • Health Up

My method for lvling skills:
1-4 Skill 1
5-6 Skill 2
7-20 Skill 4 (rarely fails, while skill 3 might fail often)

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by God_of_War on Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:01 pm

Think I have been getting unlucky I have tried 2s 5 times and 3s 3 times all on 4s and 5s and ALL failed. Now I only do 4s from 5+

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Post by dynastyxtreme on Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:22 pm

How effect would you say you believe a formation of multiple monsters with the CL ability? 0o

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Post by Event Horizon on Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:11 am

Would be expensive and not worth it. You wouldn't be able to take out any AAs. Maybe you could take out some weaker A+s though. You might take out stronger ones with a higher lvled skill. I would guess a skill 20 celestial lightning would be devastating. But.. good luck finding that or buying it. Razz

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by Dapredater on Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:21 pm

Event Horizon,


I'm fairly new to the game and was curious if you could expand on the topic of stacking.

I'm really curious because I'm using a team where I am trying to get 5 white wings together for a 5x combo (currently is at 4 x combo), but they have the skills that you say don't stack.

So, am I wasting my time putting them together? and if so, could you please give me an example to help clarify this topic for me?


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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by Event Horizon on Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:01 am

What I mean by skills that will stack is that when two or more monsters in a formation have the same skill and all of the monsters that have that skill will use it.

Example of Not Stacking:
White Wing Sky Pirate and White Wing Oracle have the same skill. Increase Party Defense. Only one will use its skill (the one that is first in the formation.)
Example of Stacking:
Shadow Domain Demon has Preemptive Strike. Lewd Twist Lologi also has Preemptive Strike. Both will use their skills.


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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by Armitaage on Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:38 am

Actually, event horizon, in the case of wwsp and wwo, the skill that will be used is whichever appears first in the formation, regardless if it's higher or lower than the other. Skills are cast in a top down manner, starting with leader's skill.

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by God_of_War on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:40 am

Under the Death Summoner info in game it states that Stat Down bonuses DO stack. So by that count it would add value to the Attack Down, Covert/Psycho/Impulse Down and Defence Down skills. Can anybody confirm that this is the case? If it is then I can include Endless and Flame Kag in the same team as well as Balrog and Paimon!!

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by Event Horizon on Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:17 pm

Thank you for the correction, Armitaage.
As for the Death Summoner info, it is referring to the stat down bonuses of the Attack Specialist monsters and not your formation.

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by Dapredater on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:23 pm

Armitaage wrote:Actually, event horizon, in the case of wwsp and wwo, the skill that will be used is whichever appears first in the formation, regardless if it's higher or lower than the other. Skills are cast in a top down manner, starting with leader's skill.

This is great information.

Stacking is one area that I have had problems really understanding. Excuse me if I seem redundant in my questions, but I just really want to "get this."

So, if I understand this correctly, my two white wings will both not equip their power; only whoever is first in the attack order will, correct?

In the second example that Event Horizon used, the demon and lologi, they could both use it, but why? I'm not fluent in my recollection of each and every monster, but is it because they are from different formations (sub teams) or guilds (colors)?

Thanks for you response.

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by ryesteve on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:30 pm

It's because p strike is a skill that supposedly does stack.

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by blah on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:45 pm

ryesteve wrote:It's because p strike is a skill that supposedly does stack.

It does stack. Pre-emp applies to every monster that has it, and they go in order of skill.

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by Armitaage on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:35 pm

Preemptive strike stacks because it affects only the individual monster as opposed to the whole party. So every monster that has it gets to do a preemptive strike. The same is true of crit up. It only affects the crit rate of the monster that uses it.

@ Dapredater, yes, only whichever white wing monster is first in the formation will use it's skill, unless the skill is one of the stackable skills.

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by Dapredater on Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:46 am

Wow, thanks to all.

This is probably no big deal to you, but this was great info for me. I'll enjoy the game a little more tweaking my teams to get their skill stacks.

Thank again.

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by blackholedreams on Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:43 am

How well does your method for leveling skills actually work? I've been doing something very similar and have had terrible results. I've wasted 20-30 agility ups so far...

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by Event Horizon on Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:04 pm

Well.. it all depends on your luck. lol
Skill 4 almost never fails. And.. up until skill 6.. that is pretty much what everyone does. Some people use 3s past then til 9, but 3s fail too much for me and what are 1-2 more monsters for almost a guaranteed skill up?
I find that Agility hates me though.. so it fails more often than any other skill. Maybe its set to fail more being one of the best skills?

I've gotten all the monsters that I needed to past skill 15 with few failures.

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by kyan on Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:01 am

The note of skill leveling did say that different skill are more or less difficult to level though through tracking a couple of max skills with different skills it doesn't seem to be much of a difference if any at all. Agility seems to be worse probably because its so expensive to get, it hurts more when it fails. lol.

On average I failed about 3 times with a stack 4 on the way to skill 20 so that's roughly a 20-25% failure as I use 4 from 5-20.

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Post by silentsong on Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:35 am

bump.

it seems these new species down skills are especially difficult to level up. I sacrificed 6-7 dragons to get to demon down (3)

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Post by kyan on Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:08 am

silentsong wrote:bump.

it seems these new species down skills are especially difficult to level up. I sacrificed 6-7 dragons to get to demon down (3)

That maybe a small sample size. Well size of 1 lol. I have use up to 14 to get to a stack of 4. Haven't keep track of skill (3).

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Post by God_of_War on Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:25 pm

Had my first (4) stack failure today. Only trying to raise a 5 to a 6 and thought a (4) would be 100%. Not for me. Sad

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Post by silentsong on Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:09 am

God_of_War wrote:Had my first (4) stack failure today. Only trying to raise a 5 to a 6 and thought a (4) would be 100%. Not for me. Sad

Well that's not as bad as me failing to level a skill from 1 to 2 and failing 3 times in a row. lol

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Post by Zap77 on Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:52 am

Ok, I have a question with this skill stacking. Say you have an A+ with Crit Up. You would sacrifice similar skilled monsters until you get the skill to 4, then sacrifice other similar B/B+ to each other til you get them to 4, then use that monster to sacrifice into your A+ to get it to go up 1 level or would it jump it up 4? I have only used the 1 by 1 method and have gotten to 7-8 for a few of my skills. I know that there have been failures, but it seems like a LOT of extra work to make stacks of 4, 8, whatever, when you can just keep trying to go 1 at a time to the A+

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by kyan on Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:43 pm

Your chance of going up by sacrificing with a skill 1 after skill 8-9 is virtually zero.
The amount of failures of sacrificing by 1 to get from 4-8 is usually alot more than if you had made the stacks of 4 unless you are very lucky.

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by Armitaage on Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:53 pm

Zap77 wrote:Ok, I have a question with this skill stacking. Say you have an A+ with Crit Up. You would sacrifice similar skilled monsters until you get the skill to 4, then sacrifice other similar B/B+ to each other til you get them to 4, then use that monster to sacrifice into your A+ to get it to go up 1 level or would it jump it up 4? I have only used the 1 by 1 method and have gotten to 7-8 for a few of my skills. I know that there have been failures, but it seems like a LOT of extra work to make stacks of 4, 8, whatever, when you can just keep trying to go 1 at a time to the A+

in answer to that, sacrificing a skill (4) to a skill (4) main will only raise the main's skill by 1, not by 4. as mentioned before, skill leveling is a percentage chance game. the first 4-7 skill levels you can usually do ok with skill (1) and skill (3), but thereafter you need skill (4) or skill (5) to have a decent success rate(though skill (5) is the closest thing to 100% success; skill (5) MIGHT fail ONE time from skill (5) to skill (20), but that is rare)

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Re: Skill List with Additional Info

Post by ryesteve on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:43 am

I'm not convinced that you actually save sac material by making and using stacks, but it sure is a lot less expensive.

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