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Post by Armitaage Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:38 am

Party's over guys. Soon you won't be able to use a 500 bp defense form if you don't actually have 500 points allocated to battle points. This will seriously lower the effectiveness of AAA+ forms if you're not willing to have 500 bp. Ex monsters will become a lot more desirable, particularly the 7x forms, as they have similar stats at a lower bp cost. Sure, they're slower, but less likely to get cut down to only 1-2 monsters left.
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Post by hgrubandT Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:00 am

One word. SOS
A team need to release more of them though

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Post by Armitaage Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:03 am

I dunno... Two monsters with max skills vs five with what amounts to 40% max skills? While I'd be happier if we had more SoS/+, two AAA+ will be hard pressed to handle a team of AA+, let alone Ex.
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Post by MoRandi Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:07 pm

The only thing A-team done right and they just "washed away" the anger they provoked me with the dice, i can say i am more than pleased and satisfyed with the change to BP and AAA/+ forms
I was tired to loose alot battles because most of players were unfair, they want 2 opposite things, its like a cheat, or atleast unfair, to have energy to do events and consume like me witch i was alocate the points fair, but also win battles with a form 3x their max BP
I have would aswell do that thing, but i haven't since i like to be a fair player in any way.
Finally A-team, if you ever read this: thank you, i am glad and i wish to see all players that used that, i wish i could see their faces when they read the announcement: priceless I love you

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Post by hgrubandT Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:37 pm

Tbh I didn't realize many people are using higher Bp form than their battle energy point.
What's the point in doing that since u can't change ur def form

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Post by Ologolos Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:10 pm

heh I'm with you... i didn't know it could be done. Or if I did, I'd forgotten.
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Post by TheFury Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:11 pm

hgrubandT wrote:u can't change ur def form
What do you mean by that? What would stop a person from changing their defensive formation?

The point, of course, is that you can sink all your stat points into energy so you can easily profit from events, without losing millions of gold to people constantly attacking you.

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Post by Armitaage Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:55 pm

And what's to stop you from resetting back and forth to change your form? I know that 95% of players don't mind readding allies 5 times an hour, it's my biggest pet peeve ingame.
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Post by echoside Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:59 pm

I believe you could switch it from attack to defense all you wanted, just don't try to modify it or disband it and you were set.

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Post by TheFury Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:08 pm

Armitaage wrote:And what's to stop you from resetting back and forth to change your form? I know that 95% of players don't mind readding allies 5 times an hour, it's my biggest pet peeve ingame.
Doesn't that slowly even out your stats to a flat energy points + 80 = battle points? That is, removing an ally removes 5 stats from whichever is higher (bp or ep+80), regardless of what the stats were originally put into. 

That's how I understand it to work, and if true it would make removing allies to set up a temp battle form a terrible idea for someone focusing on an energy build.

Also I despise re-adding allies to change my point setup : )

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Post by Ologolos Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:21 pm

i think all you'd need is one skill reset to then redistribute Bp to Ep. I haven't done it but I would imagine that's how it would work/
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Post by Armitaage Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:52 pm

Fury, I know that, and I despise it too, but it doesn't seem to stop most people from doing it. With not one event ever giving out more than 500-ish jewels, getting a proper reset takes at least 6 events. I understand why people do it anyway, but I still detest it, especially since for some reason I lose points only from energy, even if my bp are higher.
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Post by TreyDobe Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:09 pm

Armitaage wrote:Fury, I know that, and I despise it too, but it doesn't seem to stop most people from doing it. With not one event ever giving out more than 500-ish jewels, getting a proper reset takes at least 6 events. I understand why people do it anyway, but I still detest it, especially since for some reason I lose points only from energy, even if my bp are higher.
When you remove an ally or an ally removes you, it takes the points you had allocated from that particular ally.  An example would be if I had added you and I put 3 points in bp and 2 points in ep, then later on removed you as an ally those points I had got from adding you is taken away, that's what I had noticed.
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Post by applesauce Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:32 pm

TreyDobe wrote:
Armitaage wrote:Fury, I know that, and I despise it too, but it doesn't seem to stop most people from doing it. With not one event ever giving out more than 500-ish jewels, getting a proper reset takes at least 6 events. I understand why people do it anyway, but I still detest it, especially since for some reason I lose points only from energy, even if my bp are higher.
When you remove an ally or an ally removes you, it takes the points you had allocated from that particular ally.  An example would be if I had added you and I put 3 points in bp and 2 points in ep, then later on removed you as an ally those points I had got from adding you is taken away, that's what I had noticed.
 it removes 5 points from either bp or ep, which ever was higher, it has nothing to do with how you allocated the 5 points in the first place
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Post by TreyDobe Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:55 pm

applesauce wrote:
TreyDobe wrote:
Armitaage wrote:Fury, I know that, and I despise it too, but it doesn't seem to stop most people from doing it. With not one event ever giving out more than 500-ish jewels, getting a proper reset takes at least 6 events. I understand why people do it anyway, but I still detest it, especially since for some reason I lose points only from energy, even if my bp are higher.
When you remove an ally or an ally removes you, it takes the points you had allocated from that particular ally.  An example would be if I had added you and I put 3 points in bp and 2 points in ep, then later on removed you as an ally those points I had got from adding you is taken away, that's what I had noticed.
 it removes 5 points from either bp or ep, which ever was higher, it has nothing to do with how you allocated the 5 points in the first place
I see, I guess I wasn't paying attention to it then, I usually don't do a lot of reallying and stuff and only did it once during CW2
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Post by keyser sose Wed Nov 13, 2013 3:30 pm

applesauce wrote: it removes 5 points from either bp or ep, which ever was higher, it has nothing to do with how you allocated the 5 points in the first place
not exactly true...

it follows this formula:

minimum AP = 18.5 + 1.5/level
minimum BP = 78.5 + 1.5/level

with AP rounded down, and BP rounded up.

for example:
level 1 - no allies = 20/80 (AP/BP)
level 50 - no allies = 93/154
level 101 - no allies = 170/230
level 220 - no allies = 348/409

if either your AP or your BP is below the stated minimum, dropping allies will *always* take from the one that's above the minimum. past that, it's a relatively even distribution for each ally that you drop, until you drop all of your allies, and you get the minimums, above.

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