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Post by Jewelguy on Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:55 am

New Battle Challenge Event starting Friday. But Ateam changed things around. Better prizes for one. Each battle you start & win earns you Victory Points. Different prizes at different point tiers. Earn at least 700 points by the end of round 1 to battle for upgraded prizes. If you have less than 700 points, you still battle for the sane prizes as round 1. Formations have to be at least 50bp but the higher the bp, the more Victory Points you can win. Souls & spirits not allowed in formations. And gold will not be taken away (or won) in this challenge.


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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by Scratch102 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:11 am

So for 2? weeks? depending on how long the second path is, you can't battle for gold. Weak.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by Jewelguy on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:07 am

Scratch102 wrote:So for 2? weeks? depending on how long the second path is, you can't battle for gold. Weak.



You will probably be able to battle for gold outside of the battle challenge.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by ryesteve on Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:55 pm

I don't think there is an "outside the battle challenge"

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by Kahiki on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:37 pm

i hate these events

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by Scratch102 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:39 pm

Decoy team ENABLED.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by ryesteve on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:55 pm

But if they're turning off gold, what's the point of bothering with a decoy? In fact, everyone should put a 1 BP team as their defensive formation, so everyone can rack up as many points as possible.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by Marked0001 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:57 pm

It says you will not lose gold if you lose a battle you start. It doesn't mention anything about defending players not losing gold. Maybe just less risk for attacking decoy teams.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by ryesteve on Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:01 pm

Yeah, I forgot, I should never assume ATeam will do something in a consistent way...

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by bbr on Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:38 pm

Scratch102 wrote:Decoy team ENABLED.

*yawn*

You don't win any victory points for battles you did not initiate yourself.
So, decoy team is pointless in this case. Unless you're just trying to spite others.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by Bestron2 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:04 pm

bbr wrote:
Scratch102 wrote:Decoy team ENABLED.

*yawn*

You don't win any victory points for battles you did not initiate yourself.
So, decoy team is pointless in this case. Unless you're just trying to spite others.
At least your defensive history can looked really boss, right?

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by ryesteve on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:52 am

Gotta say, I really don't like the point system they've put in place. Once again, they're screwing low level players. Does someone not think their low energy max is already enough of a huge disadvantage? Why should a bp196 formation give 4x as many points as a bp73 formation? With defensive formations and decoy formations, is low bp farming really still a big issue? And it's like ATeam is telling us, "Hey, you know all those low BP AAs we keep giving you? Now there's one less thing you can do with them. Enjoy!"

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by borix on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:13 am

I only checked between 53 and 122 and there is a slight difference. A 53 bp form gave me 5 points and the 122 bp gave 14 points. So that means 0.09 point/bp for the low bp form and 0.11 point/bp for the high bp team.

I like it because it means I can still get a reasonable amount of points without me having to create a 50 BP form and sorting out forms I hope to win from. Now i can use my standard form.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by ryesteve on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:27 am

Explain to me why you don't think the points per bp shouldn't be the same. Let's say my bp max is 159. If I do 3 battles with a bp53 team, I get 15 points; if I do one battle with a bp159 team, why shouldn't I get the same 15 points? Instead, I get around 22. If the points per bp were the same, you wouldn't have to concern yourself with a low bp team, because the results would be the same either way. As it is now, people without access to high bp teams are getting screwed.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by Nicinic on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:29 am

132 bp formation : 16points per battle. High rank will be hard :/ but i will try

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by borix on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:51 am

ryesteve wrote:Explain to me why you don't think the points per bp shouldn't be the same. Let's say my bp max is 159. If I do 3 battles with a bp53 team, I get 15 points; if I do one battle with a bp159 team, why shouldn't I get the same 15 points? Instead, I get around 22. If the points per bp were the same, you wouldn't have to concern yourself with a low bp team, because the results would be the same either way. As it is now, people without access to high bp teams are getting screwed.

Now I think about it more I think you are right. I like it that you get more points when you have a higher BP form because now you can use your normal form.

But there is no real reason to get more point per BP if you use a higher BP form. The points per BP ration should be the same to make it fair. I find it much easier to find forms that I win from with my higher BP form. With the 50 BP form that you needed to fabricate with some C monsters this was much harder. So why make it even harder on the low BP forms?

Hmmm... there is probably some Ateam logic behind it.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by ryesteve on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:26 pm

Between the orb event and now this, I'm thinking maybe ATeam has actually given up on the idea of attracting new players, and this is their way of handcuffing alts.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by Tryptich on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:08 pm

ryesteve, I agree with you. I don't think they are trying to make this unfair for new players as much as they are trying to make it harder on alts. When I was a new player I couldn't make it in any events, and I struggled to get the good A's unless I bought them with EP. I think ATeam started getting soft with their AA's (beginning with the Nadir Bosses in Vagrant Lands) and now newer players are expecting that. I liked the advantage for more developed players in the orb event and felt like it was the most fair event yet. Keep in mind that they handed out decent A's in 3 of the first 5 floors (20-25 BP A's). That isn't bad at all for a new or low level player.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by Ologolos on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:19 pm

Maybe the difference is compensation for the intensely aggravating fact that I'm not getting gold for defensive wins right now.


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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by Scratch102 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:11 am

I don't really get this event.

I use my 97bp wyrms and get 11 points.

I use my 170bp AA+ form and get 24 points. No incentive to use my 97bp form at all.

...no gold on defensive wins = *puke*

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by FrankF on Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:04 pm

Scratch102 wrote:I don't really get this event.

I use my 97bp wyrms and get 11 points.

I use my 170bp AA+ form and get 24 points. No incentive to use my 97bp form at all.

It might be a little easier to rack up points with the low BP form, under the assumption that you're not playing DS 24/7 and have relatively few bp. Let's say you have exactly 170 bp and play DS for a few minutes every hour (or so). Then with the 170 bp form, you can only hit when your BP is fully maxed. This means that you've probably wasted a few BP since your BP has likely been maxed for a while before you noticed. On the other hand, with the 97 bp form, you can hit any time your bp is between 97 and 170, which gives you a much better chance to not waste bp.

This purely theoretical exercise is almost surely not the reason A-Team decided to allocate points that way. They probably got sick of people hitting dead bodies with their low bp forms.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by bbr on Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:49 pm

The "main formation is shown" is still quite a pain in this.
I just don't get WHY they decided this was a good idea.

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Post by Ologolos on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:46 pm

bbr wrote:The "main formation is shown" is still quite a pain in this.
I just don't get WHY they decided this was a good idea.

yeah you almost have to use your highest form anyway, or risk a loss at the hands of the old bait n switch with your low bp form

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Post by FrankF on Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:39 pm

bbr wrote:The "main formation is shown" is still quite a pain in this.
I just don't get WHY they decided this was a good idea.

I still think it was a good idea, with guild and species down becoming more common. If you knew what you were attacking, you could just refresh until you happened to find a form that had the guild and species you were looking for and get an easy win. Now, you can't do that as easily. I just wish they had designated display, attack, and defend forms.

Personally, I'm surprised that A-Team didn't sell this as an upgrade: $30 to be able to use multiple forms. It must have been technically difficult, because that seems like an easy way to get some cash from a large number of players. It's also the kind of thing that I would more likely pay for than lottery ticket summons that usually suck.

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Re: Battle Challenge Event 2.0

Post by applesauce on Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:01 pm

Scratch102 wrote:I don't really get this event.

I use my 97bp wyrms and get 11 points.

I use my 170bp AA+ form and get 24 points. No incentive to use my 97bp form at all.

...no gold on defensive wins = *puke*

193bp, bumps it up to 31 points, so this event is heavily weighted towards expensive high bp AA forms, or you know, AAAs

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