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How do I improve my formation?

Post by larry378 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:17 am

Have:

raminas/banish/moonc(dea)/kanna/venus

obviously going to replace venus with ash at some point.

that'll leave me with one 20bp unskilled kanna, which will be a "weak link" in the formation.




My thoughts at the moment are;

wingarm is cheap. with this new dark trap 37bp cov ded wingwyrm, wingarm will be even cheaper.

and the bright side? I don't need to even skill it up, my banish is (20), and I'll keep him high in the attack order so his skill is the one that counts; and wingarm will be a stat improvement over kanna (no functional skill difference)


am I missing any superior alternatives for a 5th member?

sure there's frozen silver and vanity, and the new full moon, but those are probably extremely cost inefficient compared to wingarm as a strict stat upgrade. (although I DO like the idea of a psy down wingwyrm. as a sin player, that could be pretty handy, but I have no doubt that full moon is going to end up being vanity/anna expensive)


TLDR Version: what is best possible 5th member for ash/raminas/banish/moonc(dea) ? I'm sin but not worried about guild combo since i need raminas anyways and 2/5 of the existing sin wyrms are ones that I already have and want to replace. I briefly considered a full sin form with skillchanges, (would need dea AND ipd) but decided against it since venus and kanna are kinda weak monsters in general.


Thanks in advance!


P.S. Horg if you are reading this: sorry for dea-ing the moonc, but at least I'm running 5xAA like you suggested! Very Happy

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Re: How do I improve my formation?

Post by TigerStrike on Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:13 pm

You could trade your Moon Sea (DEA) for a Wingarm (DEA) and get yourself another Moon Sea. That way you can have five skills. Then pray one day A-Team will releases a 45bp Cypher Wyrm with Health Up just in time for their Wyrm down monster.

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Re: How do I improve my formation?

Post by larry378 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:18 pm

TigerStrike wrote:You could trade your Moon Sea (DEA) for a Wingarm (DEA) and get yourself another Moon Sea. That way you can have five skills. Then pray one day A-Team will releases a 45bp Cypher Wyrm with Health Up just in time for their Wyrm down monster.

well... I don't see why that trade would be necessary

Ash/Raminas/Banish/Moonc(dea)/Wingarm

and

Ash/Raminas/Banish/Moonc/Wingarm(dea)

would be identical in stats and skill distro (I don't consider crit to be a skill)

But I am looking forward to a health up wyrm. sin hasn't got any wyrms in a while, and covert just got what? a 37bp ded, and 42bp psycho down; ON TOP of having vanity since that came out.


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Re: How do I improve my formation?

Post by TigerStrike on Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:53 pm

I'm hoping I can get those but I doubt it. My Rancor account has low ep to try to rank. Maybe in the AH but it will be expensive and there won't be any regs so the price will be high.

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Re: How do I improve my formation?

Post by larry378 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:36 pm

what's team efficiency?

I was working on trying to make some sort of form rating system, but it's far from done (in spoiler below, warning did not format nicely when copied from excel and pasted into post.
Spoiler:

Formation Rating System Pre-Alpha {S} SKILL RATING: (Critical[0-1]*4)+(Primary[0-2]*2)+(Secondary[0-2])+(Tertiary[0-5]*0.3) OPTIMAL: 10
{M} MEMBERSHIP RATING: 0-5 OPTIMAL:5
{C} COMBO RATING: 0-5 OPTIMAL:5
{F} FORMATION RATING: {M} + {C} OPTIMAL:10
SCORE = {S} *{F} OPTIMAL:100

*Tertiary defined as non crit/slumber skills not defined as primary or secondary skills; e.g. guild down, preemptive strike, heal, etc…
Sin Wyrms: Ash, Banished, MoonC, Kanna, Venus
Psycho Demons1: Issac, Racio, Lyra, Vais, Meryl(original skill)
Psycho Demons2: Issac, Racio, Lyra, Vais, Taroth
Covert Wyrms: Vanity, DoD, Wingarm, Terra, Demo
My Wyrms: Raminas, Banished, MoonC(dea), Kanna, Venus

EXAMPLE OF OPTIMAL TEAM (post-skillchange)
optimal psy brutes: Amiyla, Crimson(IPD), Gala(DEA), Tlon(DED), Ast(IPA)

EXMPLE OF OPTIMIZED TEAM (post-skillchange)
optimized wyrms: Vanity, Raminas, Frozen Silver(DEA), Ash, guild relevant ded wyrm(banish/gorger/wingarm)

EXAMPLE OF ENTRY LEVEL AA TEAM
Generic Entry Level: 25bp health up, 17bp ipd, solruna, guild relevant ded wyrm, guild relevant centaur of _______ (from dragon wall)



AA Rank
Category Critical Skill Primary Skills Secondary Skills *Tertiary Skills VIPs Combos Skill Rating Formation Rating SCORE
Description Health Up IPD/DEA IPA/DED Guild Down/special 30/+bp up to 5

Optimal 1 2 2 0 5 5 10 10 100
80bp AA 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 3 0
Sin Wyrms 0 0 2 0 3 5 2 8 16
Psycho Demons1 1 1 2 0 5 4 8 9 72
Psycho Demons2 1 2 2 0 4 4 10 8 80
Covert Wyrms 0 1 2 1 3 5 4.03 8 32.24
My Wyrms 0 2 1 0 3 4 5 7 35
optimal psy brutes 1 2 2 0 5 5 10 10 100
optimized wyrms 0 2 2 1 5 4 6.03 9 54.27
Generic Entry Level 1 2 1 1 2 3 9.03 5 45.15


A Rank
Category Critical Skill Primary Skills Secondary Skills *Tertiary Skills VIPs Combos Skill Rating Formation Rating SCORE
Description Agility IPA/DED IPD/DEA Guild Down/special 20/+bp up to 5


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Re: How do I improve my formation?

Post by TigerStrike on Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:47 pm

It is ( (Attack * 1.1) + Def + HP) divded BP

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Re: How do I improve my formation?

Post by ryesteve on Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:15 pm

Where are Full Moon and Scales from?

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Re: How do I improve my formation?

Post by EdwardStarbuck on Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:02 pm

They are the new event reward for covert and the covert trap reward.

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Re: How do I improve my formation?

Post by ryesteve on Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:32 pm

No wonder they didn't look familiar. I assume those stats are just estimates then?

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Re: How do I improve my formation?

Post by Terecon on Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:36 pm

That covert wyrm formation makes me melt inside. It breaks my heart that I will never be able to have it.
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