Cheap AA+ formation question

I am 1 AA shy of being able to make an all AA+ formation, is it worth leveling all these up to lvl 150 (I have 1 @150 and 1@108, 1@8, 1 not evolved and missing 1 AA to evolve the last 1). Anyway was thinking of using these as a my 2nd account's (future store) formation. This account is on an old android phone with no service so i do not get to play it as often and its only in the low 40s as far as lvl. Was thinking that if I Used all AA+s would be a lot cheaper than trying to work a 2nd A+ agility based formation. Is a mix and match set so would only end up getting a level and rarity bonus. Anyway it would be:

Liqu DED 13bp
Soruluna DEA 13bp
Horned Tiger IDR 15 bp
Gulph DED? 13bp
Spirit Doll IPD 17bp

So for a 71bp formation I'd have close to 40k in atk/def/health and 4 different skills and when attacked probably strike before most A+s(Does an AA+ beat A+ with premptive strike?) How long (till about what level range) would this be an ok formation, and hopefully over time I could replace the Spirit Doll for Mushi and maybe Gulph for a hallucination cast and pick up a 3rd bonus. For a non money spending player this seems a viable low cost solution, I have leveled 1 of them to 150 and the gold gets a little high, but I don't have to pay for gold, just wait for the next event to bring me more. Anyone have any thoughts suggestions? I just want to use my agility stacks on my main account, but will this formation hold up against agility based A+ attacks into the account lvl 70-80 range? My main account is only lvl 69 and I hit 1 similar formation so far but it had a 3x bonus (was all sin), I have a 5x winged brute formation and lost in the 2nd round of the fight. Is what got me started in this direction for my 2nd account. One problem is that is the only time I have seen such a formation in action.

Cheap AA and effective team would be for example :
cast+,Lotus+,Dragon of wall+,(new 20 bp AA)+ or you know (explosive demon, sickle leg, horned phantom...),and >=25 bp +
I think that a AA above 25 bp is necessary. For example 30 bp would be good but don't take too high if you want stay in low bp.

In fact, don't use AA under 15 bp, they are too weak and even if they are cheap they are not better than A+ monsters.

Combo of level, rarity and same guild. I think you can have with this a team with bp<100 and between 50-65k stats in all.
And since it's an AA team, you will atk first all the time against (A+)-team.

Cast are cheap, probably under 10 bps, wall dragon probably 10-15eps like others cheap AA 15-18 bp, and the last AA would be 20-30 eps.

Been grinding 40s myself with a max level Vlad, and 2 1bp trash cards, for a 27 BP formation If the enemy focus the Vlad, the trash live and I can auto-win on # left standing. If they use sleep, it can hit one of my trash letting Vlad clear things out. Things only get iffy if I face resurrect,sleep, or someone with similar overpowered cards. To be honest, i've had this focused on the current event, so I've not been facing people's dfensive formations, and I've avoided picking fights with anyone who shows an AA as their lead.
//Torrenal

Id have to agree with "the skill". the problem with Torrenal's approach is players like me. I run an A+ psycho brute team, but my defensive team is maxed aa+ sin demons. very hard to beat and harder to know its even there but brutal on the bp for a main formation. Check out the selling section of the trades board here. you will get a lot more for your ep than the auctions in game.

I am doing better than I thought for not paying for ep. I got lucky and summoned a Slaughter Doll Adan from a free Dark summon from the event. Down to 0ep and 2bp and almost have it to only 1 13bp AA+ left in my cheap formation and still sitting at 93bp, thats pretty workable for a cheap 2nd account attack and defensive formation. Yes ericju that would be a pretty hard wall to run into if you thought you were fighting A+ brutes. I am doing a cheaper version of that but using the Brutes up front with a formation of higher bp psycho demons on defense. Thanks for all the input.

Would advise against sub80bp AA teams. They're simply not worth the cost to max and skill up.

Adan and Spirit are a good start (IPD and HP UP are the foundation of an AA team, same as IPA and AGI for an A team)

It would really recommend tweaking the rest.

You shouldn't use horned tiger at all. 15bp? bad, dodge? useless.

the 13bp AAs are an interesting case which can be viewed differently than the other lowbp AAs, because they have GOOD basic skills!

Wouldn't recommend using both simultaneously. Their stats are incredibly bad. but using ONE of them to add a skill AND retain rarity/level/guild combo is a good idea. Regardless of what guild you are; one of them can always be replaced easily/cheaply; (sin can use vlad for ded, psy has gorger for ded AND taroth for dea, cov has wingarm for ded AND dbe for dea).


Really, AAs require a substantial amount of gold (a.k.a. if you want this fast, you're going to be spending a lot of ep on missions for gold) to max, which is why I wouldn't recommend investing heavily in lowbp ones or ones which you KNOW you are inevitably going to replace.


Anyways, here's a rough sketch of good starter AA teams

"My First AA Team Template"
for ultra cheap AA teams with mostly event monsters, and really cheap AA monsters (<50/reg)

skills listed from...
health up/ipd/ded/dea/Additional Flexible Skill

Impulse:
Adan/Spirit Doll/Vlad/Solruna/sara(psy down)

Psycho:
Rienda/Mushi/gorger/taroth/nyar(ipa)

Covert:
Turvain/Sweltering/Wingarm/dbe/Odin(imp down)


p.s. these are not "great" AA teams, they are affordable AA teams with competent skillsets, and 3xcombo rarity level guild

Thanks Larry! I have only the 13bp Liqu left in my lineup as I have already leveled it, and DED is at 5. I did not wish to level a bunch more 13bp AA+s if there stats are only 6666. I like your sets of 3x affordable AA+ combos, this is exactly what I am going for, something affordable but out performs most A+ formations.

Hi, since I too am a player who doesn't spend money on this game I thought i'd give you some input on what I did

I play sin and made myself a Hybrid Low bp demon team which consist of:
( Atk: 56k // Def: 54k // Hp: 52k // Bp:83 )

Demon of Ruin+ (AA+) 15bp (crit up)
Black Rain Demon+ (AA+) 18bp (none)
Explosive Demon+ (AA+) 15bp (inc dodge)
Hellfield Devil Asura + (A+) 22bp (Inc Party Atk)
Child of pit+ (A+) 13bp (AGILITY!!!)

Now sure this team is low bp, only gets 2 bonus (species/guild), Has no big AA's to back up, and doesn't have very impressive stats BUT

• This team was easily obtainable ( 3 AA's from recent events, traded for asura back when gold could be used in auction [but he's cheap ep wise now], and pit ally summoned)
  
• I can attack many times fast (low bp)
  
  
• Increase party attack makes monsters do great damage (currently have asura (18) )
  

• Most Importantly though it has Agility !!! Because of this my team ALWAYS attacks first when I attack.
  

• This low bp team destroys ALL A+ teams and Many AA/AA+ teams (who aren't max IPD + Health up)
  
  

For a cheap team this is imo one of the best you can get (for sin player anyway) even on the def since i have agility+AA's my 3 AA's destroy half the other team (or whole if they have lower agility) before they can even attack.

Last thing of major importance ( and elite players feel free to correct or criticize me) depending on your play style (def/Atk) is what kind of formation you should go for. If you are into attacking people then do a A+/AA+ hybrid team with skills IPA, AGILITY, DED, and at least 3 AA's. If you care more about defending you should do a AA+ form with skills IPD, Health up, DEA, and AA's with High BP, (so I wouldn't recommend this for very low bp monsters, imo at LEAST 1 28bp+ and none below 15bp. Also if you don't plan on paying for game -like me - it will take a LONG time to get the ep you need for an effective def team... so it is best to start with low bp attack form)

Tips: If you do have a way of getting your hand on some ep (selling crystals/skills/monsters/level souls)
-- Buy your agility monster max skill (bought my current pit for 35ep (first one was only skill 12)) it takes a LONG @$$ time to skill on your own without paying for agility stacks, and is cheaper than buying stacks too.
-- Buy your Health up AA maxed ... even worst than agility to skill

-- monster speed tip: A+team with agility(20) is faster than a AA/AA+ and will attack first. Which is why I don't recommend AA team unless it has good skills that will make it outlive everything. Also this is why a AA team with agility is good.
-- I recommend you don't use the formation until you have everyone max level/ close to max level. (talking about level not skill!!)

Well I hope I helped out to some degree If you have any questions feel free to pm me .
GL to you ^^

Miggy wrote:Hi, since I too am a player who doesn't spend money on this game I thought i'd give you some input on what I did

I play sin and made myself a Hybrid Low bp demon team which consist of:
( Atk: 56k // Def: 54k // Hp: 52k // Bp:83 )

Demon of Ruin+ (AA+) 15bp (crit up)
Black Rain Demon+ (AA+) 18bp (none)
Explosive Demon+ (AA+) 15bp (inc dodge)
Hellfield Devil Asura + (A+) 22bp (Inc Party Atk)
Child of pit+ (A+) 13bp (AGILITY!!!)

Personally I am not so sure about this formation. For one, it only has 2 skills which are worth mentioning: IPA and Agility. Crit Up and Dodge Rate Up are so worthless they might as well not exist, which means you have a lot of wasted slots which could go towards better skills, like DED, DEA or IPD.
It's true you could probably beat most A+ teams, because you have Agility (20). But the standard cookie-cutter A+ teams can and will beat every single other A+ team in existence because of a more optimised skill layout. Your team should (I am assuming here) have trouble with teams which pack IPD and DEA, because you have no DED.

Bestron2 wrote:
Personally I am not so sure about this formation. For one, it only has 2 skills which are worth mentioning: IPA and Agility. Crit Up and Dodge Rate Up are so worthless they might as well not exist, which means you have a lot of wasted slots which could go towards better skills, like DED, DEA or IPD.
It's true you could probably beat most A+ teams, because you have Agility (20). But the standard cookie-cutter A+ teams can and will beat every single other A+ team in existence because of a more optimised skill layout. Your team should (I am assuming here) have trouble with teams which pack IPD and DEA, because you have no DED.

Never lost to a A+ team... even when they are max skills. only teams that beat me are AA+ teams with IPD and Health up.

I was just using my form as an example anyway to demonstrate a low bp hybrid is a good STARTER There are definitely better ways to optimize my team... I stated how hybrid/AA teams should be set up (imo) in my other post.

Miggy wrote:

Never lost to a A+ team... even when they are max skills. only teams that beat me are AA+ teams with IPD and Health up.

I don't believe you.

higher bp A teams like cov beasts and psycho demons, or even agility-less less popular A teams with good skill distro like cov mystics would by all rights beat your team even when you are attacking.

you either

A. have not fought a wide array of A+ teams
B. have not fought the relevant max skill A+ teams (teams with ipd/dea/imp down(20))
C. have been the regular beneficiary of some manner of rng anomaly where you crit nonstop and they miss nonstop because the performance you describe does not correlate to the formation stats commonly associated with the monsters in question.

larry378 wrote:

Miggy wrote:

Never lost to a A+ team... even when they are max skills. only teams that beat me are AA+ teams with IPD and Health up.

I don't believe you.

higher bp A teams like cov beasts and psycho demons, or even agility-less less popular A teams with good skill distro like cov mystics would by all rights beat your team even when you are attacking.

you either

A. have not fought a wide array of A+ teams
B. have not fought the relevant max skill A+ teams (teams with ipd/dea/imp down(20))
C. have been the regular beneficiary of some manner of rng anomaly where you crit nonstop and they miss nonstop because the performance you describe does not correlate to the formation stats commonly associated with the monsters in question.

This is what I was getting at.
I can believe that you would beat most A+ teams, or those without max skills, courtesy of your agility and decent attack, but I simply cannot see you beating those with DEA or IPD.
My Psycho Demon team (Victoria+, DCC+, Selene+, Lilin+ and BSD+) still can't beat all A+ teams, even though they have 60K attack, and most of them have max skills.
Because of that reason, I simply cannot believe your claim. Don't get me wrong, neither me or Larry are insulting you, but we just can't see a cheap, starting team beating every single A+ team in the game. It would just be broken. What would be the point in investing in powerful A+ teams, if that was the case?

Bestron2 wrote: What would be the point in investing in powerful A+ teams, if that was the case?

ok guys ^^ sorry bout' that; impulse down team like covert wyrms have beat me, but considering how rare it is for people to fight again impulse(20) figured it wasn't worth mentioning.

The reason for the quote here is exactly why i got rid of my so called Powerful A+ team. after doing extensive forum searches, and asking questions about hybrid teams i found that yes it IS NOT WORTH IT TO INVEST IN POWERFUL A+ TEAMS. Sure a team with guild down will beat MY hybrid team; but same goes for a powerful A+ team . And to rely on guild down to win isn't so powerful in my opinion as there are 2 guilds you have to worry about so unless you have both guilds down (20) (which i find very unlikely) your still susceptible to 1 guild....

Just to finish, I'm only level 91 after 220 days of consecutive play (don't use My energy potions) - so i could be completely wrong on all this ^^ maybe at max level everyone has Guild downs maxed, and maybe my hybrid won't be so powerful then. BUT as i said this was a good starter team by max level wouldn't you think people have good teams?

Anyway, thanks for responding to my comments, guess i shouldn't have said ALL A+ forms die, but having a hybrid will sure as heck get you many more kills than a powerful A+ team. I guess ill leave it at that because really its all about preference and availability imo it was easier to grab a hybrid team than a super expensive A+ team (teams that require really old rare monsters or even some new ones that are impossible to get a hand on without EP)

Miggy wrote:
The reason for the quote here is exactly why i got rid of my so called Powerful A+ team. after doing extensive forum searches, and asking questions about hybrid teams i found that yes it IS NOT WORTH IT TO INVEST IN POWERFUL A+ TEAMS.

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this is a pretty recent development due to the market crash. AAs are basically the new As. It certainly was worthwhile to invest in A+ teams, and you could really play competitively with A+ teams. hell I got to page 1 of overall rank using my A+ wyrm team.

Miggy wrote:
Just to finish, I'm only level 91 after 220 days of consecutive play (don't use My energy potions) - so i could be completely wrong on all this ^^ maybe at max level everyone has Guild downs maxed, and maybe my hybrid won't be so powerful then. BUT as i said this was a good starter team by max level wouldn't you think people have good teams?

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OoOoO I've actually been playing for exactly 220 days too lol (my oldest ally is 220 days ago). lv 105, I don't buy soul points (ok, once I cashed in a google play card I received in a business convention giftbag for some soul points/dark traps when I found out it could be used for that).

you team isn't a bad starter hybrid team, but there really are better starter hybrid teams; with more comprehensive skillsets. for example; adding solruna (dea) to your team while replacing ruin or explosive would be a massive boost to effectiveness due to the gain of a useful skill at the loss of a marginal amount of stats. you can replace asura with thirst too. Also to boost your general bp/stats you can get some higher bp cheaper demons like grizel and gess.

Miggy wrote:
it was easier to grab a hybrid team than a super expensive A+ team (teams that require really old rare monsters or even some new ones that are impossible to get a hand on without EP)

This I agree with. the recent market crash/flood of lowbp AAs really has somewhat invalidated A+ teams purely on account of stats and innate agility.

A low tier AA form is now easier to deploy than a high tier A form; because of how few skills the low-tier AAs have; you just need to max level. +m(20) high tier A form will beat low tier AA, but is also much more expensive.