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Post by derpy on Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:36 am

So I'm level 61, I know the premise of the game, cards ranks, etc.

Initially I just did missions, didn't pay attention much whatever. I haven't ever used the auction system and initially I upgraded whatever I had that was good, which was rank As.

Basically I have almost 80 card slots and most of them are filled up with A or A+s who have skills, but I don't have any idea what are useless or worth anything. Some are B, B+ with skills I need to combine but don't have enough gold right now. I've got an idea now what is better(realized that more bp is usually better) but I've never used the auction system and only have a few potions that aren't "my" since I didn't know they were the currency.

I'm sin guild, my current team consists of A+ demons in the 50-65 level range, but I wasn't aware of the guild based until recently and I don't have enough demons of A or A+ anyways. As such, current combo is rarity and demon bonus.

I can post my list if anyone wants to help, or pm it to them or if anyone else has general tips it would be great.

I read I should farm gold on one of the early raid crystals, so I'll do that since none of my team is currently maxed and I have no gold.

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Post by Bestron2 on Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:59 am

PM me or just post it here if you want some help.
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Re: Could use some help

Post by HelloKitty on Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:51 am

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derpy wrote:Basically I have almost 80 card slots and most of them are filled up with A or A+s who have skills, but I don't have any idea what are useless or worth anything.

First off, ask people in your clan if they have 4 monster limit + so you can max out at 120 available slots. Most higher ranked players have extras just sitting there and will gift them to you. They're not worth buying with ep so don't do that if asked.

Second, use this formation guide ( [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] )to look through the best teams for each guild. For the most part if they are part of a useful formation they're worth more because there is demand for them. Something obscure like a Mystic species in Sin isn't going to be worth much because people don't build mystic teams in that guild. Where as a demon that's part of a good form is worth more. It's hard to put a price on A cards right now because the market has fallen.

derpy wrote:Some are B, B+ with skills I need to combine but don't have enough gold right now. I've got an idea now what is better(realized that more bp is usually better)

You're right that if it's a B/B+ with skill you should sacrifice it to other cards with the same skill. This is referred to as 'skill stacking'. It really does not take much gold at a lvl 1 to sacrifice, so you should be able to come up with the gold to do it. Once you get a card to a skill lvl of 4 you can actually sell it as a skill stack. They're not worth a lot of ep, but it's a good way to start to earn some. And there are certain A cards that are only really useful as a skill sacrifice. For the most part anything below 20 bp isn't really suited for a strong formation.

derpy wrote: I've never used the auction system and only have a few potions that aren't "my" since I didn't know they were the currency.

If you're looking to buy or sell you can also look at the leader boards for trades happening there. Go to the battle screen, click on Player Rankings, and then read the messages of the top 3 players.

derpy wrote: I read I should farm gold on one of the early raid crystals, so I'll do that since none of my team is currently maxed and I have no gold.

Collect crystals for the 2nd lord. It's still only 1 energy per click like the 1st lord crystals, but you get a little bit more gold. As you are trying to collect you will also get C monsters in the process. They can be sold for 400 gold each since they're 4 bp. This is a way to make a little extra money to sacrifice your monsters.

If you have questions that you want answers to faster log into the chat on the forum home page. Most of the users are really helpful answering questions. Hope this helps! And have fun playing.

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Re: Could use some help

Post by FrankF on Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:08 am

HeroBaby wrote:
First off, ask people in your clan if they have 4 monster limit + so you can max out at 120 available slots. Most higher ranked players have extras just sitting there and will gift them to you. They're not worth buying with ep so don't do that if asked.

There's a very good chance he's in a clan without any ranked players. The highest level player in my clan is level 55. So anyone who has extra MLP lying around can gift them to me, or we'll work out a trade for some skill singles or something -- PM me.

To OP: it probably would help to at least post your current formation and maybe some of the higher bp A cards you have. It shouldn't be hard to figure out a reasonable card for you to add to make your form stronger. It also helps to look through the sale forums here to get a good sense of what people are asking for their various A cards.

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Re: Could use some help

Post by derpy on Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:25 am

I joined a clan, but honestly I had forgotten. I looked and there are only ab out 13 people in it and they aren't very high level so I guess whoever made it doesn't play or some such.

My current formation is:
A+ Lewd Twist Lologi level 57 preemptive 5
A+ Naga level 65 slumbering breath 4
A+ Uncouth Child level 64 crit 4
A+ Devil of the Abyss level 34 increase party attack 3
A+ Beezlebub level 46 venom 3

my higher BP, 21 up. I'm not sure if this was a good number or too low, so I just included them

A Humbaba
A+ Festering Aigipan
A Phresvelk
A Lunatic Medic
A Druj Nasu
A Quetzalcoatl
A Bloodfest demon
A+ Jiangshi Fighter
A Achlis
A+ Raging Vritra
A Deceit Witch
A Charon of Hatred
A+ Hammer of Hell
A Dancing Fairy
A Anomalocaris
A Flaming Death Wheels
A Typhon the Sea Roarer

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Post by FrankF on Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:18 am

derpy wrote:I joined a clan, but honestly I had forgotten. I looked and there are only ab out 13 people in it and they aren't very high level so I guess whoever made it doesn't play or some such.

My current formation is:
A+ Lewd Twist Lologi level 57 preemptive 5
A+ Naga level 65 slumbering breath 4
A+ Uncouth Child level 64 crit 4
A+ Devil of the Abyss level 34 increase party attack 3
A+ Beezlebub level 46 venom 3

my higher BP, 21 up. I'm not sure if this was a good number or too low, so I just included them

A Humbaba
A+ Festering Aigipan
A Phresvelk
A Lunatic Medic
A Druj Nasu
A Quetzalcoatl
A Bloodfest demon
A+ Jiangshi Fighter
A Achlis
A+ Raging Vritra
A Deceit Witch
A Charon of Hatred
A+ Hammer of Hell
A Dancing Fairy
A Anomalocaris
A Flaming Death Wheels
A Typhon the Sea Roarer

I think you have enough good cards, you just need to focus your energies on a specific build and trade toward that. For Sin, the three best species are demons, wyrms, and beasts. It probably makes sense for you to focus on demons.

As a first step, I would start looking to sell some of your better cards above (Humbaba, Phresvelk?, Medic, Druj, Quetz, Charon, Deceit, and Typhon) for EP. Look through sale lists to get an idea of what they're worth -- my guesses: Medic 4, Druj 3, Quetz 5, Charon 2, Deceit 2, Typhon 2. Then look to acquire some Sin Demons (or trade for them in one step, if you can). Given your list above, I'd go for:

Bloodfest (a reg so you can + yours, should cost ~4 EP)
Paimon + (should cost you ~6 EP)
Child of Pit + (should cost you ~3 EP)

Those are easy to find and once maxed should give you a reasonable form with your Abyss and Beelz (~50K attack or so). Also, the prices above are estimates based upon asking prices for level 1s. If you're patient, you can probably do a lot better than those. You might even be able to buy a whole Sin Demon team for a reasonable price -- keep your eyes on the auctions. You can then look to upgrade opportunistically:

Paimon -> Balrog
Bloodfest -> Cannonfire
Beelz -> Flame Kag or Endless Night
Abyss -> Asura

And if your clan really isn't active, find a new one (though it will cost you 50K gold). My clan is also small and low level, and we'd love to have you. PM me for details if you wish.

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Re: Could use some help

Post by B$ on Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:16 am

I have a couple asura+m laying around i could trade u for cheap
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Re: Could use some help

Post by derpy on Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:39 am

Thanks for the suggestions, I'm still looking to fix my combo but I got a few lucky summons to help, like child of pit. Also, I did read the formation guide and it didn't mention a lot of things, so I'm not sure if its old or if they are completely useless? Like undead, creation, or mystic formations

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Post by Torrenal on Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:54 am

Are you referring to combos? Or just specific formatin types?

Figure a max combo formation will have a 50+ % boost to attack, and a similar boost to defense. Proper skill choice can have a similar effect, so it's important to pay attention to both combos and skills. As to the power of one formation over another, they all get the same bonuses to stats, so in the end it's what actual creatures are available to a given formation type, that decide which is more powerful.
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Post by Bestron2 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:39 am

derpy wrote:Thanks for the suggestions, I'm still looking to fix my combo but I got a few lucky summons to help, like child of pit. Also, I did read the formation guide and it didn't mention a lot of things, so I'm not sure if its old or if they are completely useless? Like undead, creation, or mystic formations
I am not sure. The formation guide did mention Psycho Creation teams; those are viable.
I am also fairly certain it mentioned Sin Undead, but not Covert Mystics.
Other creation formations not from Tyranny are generally considered to be useless unless something drastic has taken hold. The same goes for Undead and Mystic teams; in general, they just do not work except for those few guilds.
Change clans if yours is inactive, as someone else has mentioned. Clans can be very helpful if the members are active and friendly.
Sin Demons are the way to go ATM. They are very, very cheap now. I have seen Asura regs go for 1 EP each, and Child of Pit should cost you 2 EP max for a +. I have a Sear Djinn reg which is worthless to me, so if you want it for free you can just PM me and I'll give it over.
A full Sin Demon team (although not optimised) should cost you around 15 EP, although I doubt any of those will be maxed or skilled.

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Re: Could use some help

Post by derpy on Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:49 am

Thanks, I'm still looking to fill a full impulse but I'm closer, its just hard using the in game auction system. I was just curious(and maybe I missed the guide) because I've gotten a few, what I thought fairly decent creation and mystics, but I wasn't sure. I guess the optimal is also to have the same type though so maybe there aren't enough.

I'm looking for a clan still since mine was inactive and that should help too, the only other question I have now is I have a bunch of souls from the event, but I'm not sure completely what to do with them.

Are soul of enlightenment just like a better soul of wisdom? And does a soul of skills grant any skill up regardless of what it currently is?

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Re: Could use some help

Post by ImVile on Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:22 am

Are you making a Sin Demon team? And if so what do you currently have?

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Re: Could use some help

Post by derpy on Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:51 am

I'm trying to, for sin demons I have:
Child of Pit A
Devil of the Abyss A+
Beezlebub A+
Haddu A
Serpent Demon A
Bloodfest A
Red Light, Soruluna AA x2(I don't know if shes worth combining, and haven't since it costs a ton)

So I guess I'm not too close, I'm going to try and sell some of my better cards though so I can then try to buy some others.

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Re: Could use some help

Post by ImVile on Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:41 am

Post your ID and when I wake up I'll gift you a Balrog reg.

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Re: Could use some help

Post by derpy on Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:15 pm

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Post by ImVile on Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:48 am

Says you have max allies.

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Post by derpy on Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:39 am

Oh sorry, its fixed now I hadn't realized

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