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Post by Deathblob Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:19 am

Looks like no more farming through the Battle History, starting 01/25.
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Post by Armitaage Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:29 am

and opening up of being able to attack anyone whose team can beat yours, regardless of level, by the sound of it(the whole revenge thing). idk, that ought to make kyan happy at least, lol.
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Post by Ologolos Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:34 am

That's good for me! I consistently get attacked by a few people, who I'm sure are doing this to me.

"I don't have any gold! Give it up!"

One i think is upset because they lost 28k to me using a team that should have - but didnt - beat mine. Every subsequent attack they've won, but only netted about 6k gold so far. But he or she is persistent, I'll give them that!
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Post by JessicaMD Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:39 am

lol what's the point of this update, doesn't everyone just attack people on rank or something?

or are they making it so you just can't SEE people who attacked you but you can counterattack...

which seems pretty pointless, because at some point everyone over level 80 gets farmed by some absolutely ridiculous 5xAA(20) teams by lv 150+ players, not being able to see their level and the rest of their formation and having a "revenge" button seems pretty dumb... at least now when someone fights you, you can take a look at their formation, or compliment them if you have a close battle.

oh well, I guess this'll stop all those people whose panties get all bunched up when someone attacks their progs and feel inclined to throw a hissy fit and spam threats
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Post by yunarena13 Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:22 pm

I think the point is to stop people from using the battle log to farm people. After you get farmed by the same guy three weeks, because he has hit the 3x lotto, it gets pretty annoying. That one guy shattered my defense recorded. It takes a special kind of jerk to hold a link for that long. I can only imagine how maddening it is for the people it happens to with level limits barring them from retaliating.

I don't blame people for throwing a hissy fit for being attacked when they have progs up. If you look at the battle choices there are always plenty of teams to choose from that don't have progs up. I wouldn't spam threats, but let's just say this update puts an end to my revenge.
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Post by larry378 Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:54 pm

yunarena13 wrote:If you look at the battle choices there are always plenty of teams to choose from that don't have progs up.

Not when you're ranked, when you get on page 1, you'll basically be fighting the very same set of people on a daily basis for the foreseeable future, and that doesn't even come close to what level of frustration the guild-battle restriction breeds in very high ranked players (1-20). Even where I'm at, once I've attacked all of my 'regulars', I need to spend the last 1/3 of the day attacking people for 1 honor. so, no there are not 'plenty' of teams to choose from. And if one of the people I farm every single day regardless of progs happens to have progs up at the moment, sorry, I'm attacking them. waiting to do it later breaks the 'flow' and I probably won't remember that I didn't attack them the next time I log in, and there go a couple honor points.

Anyways, I don't get how removing the battle record thing affects anything really. Was this really considered a problem?

I know the battle record "overflows" from a single day's worth of battles without using any extraneous bp (I know this, because I make a relatively full allotment of attacks on the average day, without using any bp/mybp) and the type of inconvenience you would have to go through to KEEP somebody's battle record on the list seems unjustifiable. I guess it COULD be done by paying attention to where it is on the list and not fighting again until it is refreshed the next day so you can hit them first, but that's just too few battles per day if you want to get anywhere at all in rank.

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Post by Armitaage Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:21 pm

yunarena13 wrote:I don't blame people for throwing a hissy fit for being attacked when they have progs up.

but i DO blame them for throwing a hissy fit. in the immortal words of john kreese from the karate kid, "this is not a knitting club". it's a combat oriented game where the strong prey on the weak; if your team is perceived as weak, you WILL be attacked and there is nothing you can do about it. crying like a baby "no fair, why don't you fight me when i have my big, bad, ultra powerful team, you meanie" only makes YOU look bad. me, with only rank A+ form, i'm attacked regularly by people with AA+ teams, which is easily equivalent to being attacked while having progs up, but i don't go around whining about it on people's walls or make threats.

btw, i see you like claymore, eh? pity that they had to discontinue the anime so early, and fk it up so royally, lol.
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Post by yunarena13 Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:47 pm

I didn't fully explain that because forget that there are different tiers and everybody is not is not in the same boat as me. There are plenty of people to attack without progs sub 80. Above that the choices probably aren't as abundant so I can see the point about people griping there.

The battle log only holds 10 links and there are some people out there that will battle just enough to ensure certain links stay alive.

Yes, Claymore is great. I really need to read the manga, but the anime has me so jacked up I'm waiting until I forget most of the plot to start.
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Post by Armitaage Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:38 pm

Don't worry, the manga goes WAAAY beyond where the anime cuts off, you better start asap. Also, the last few episodes of the anime differ vastly from the manga. When cutting the show short, they raped it in the same way as the original hellsing anime; that is, they invented shit that was never in the manga.


More on topic, my beef with hissy fits is that far from being constructive, they just leave a bad taste in your mouth.
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Post by Deathblob Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:14 am

Oh crap. I did not realize they were going to go full retard on this.

The "Revenge" button only appears for fights you lose, if YOU started the battle. It does not appear if someone attacks you and you lose.

So, if someone attacks you, you can't attack them back, not even once.

There is no reason to attack someone a second time after losing on attack, unless you do something stupid like attack without full BP.
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Post by HelloKitty Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:35 am

This totally sucks. I've found some inactive people that I farm. (I only attack active people 2 times then move on) Now I can't farm them anymore. There is NO good way to get gold in this game now. Most people are spending gold so they don't lose it now. For me level 79, it's like 1 out of 5 attacks that I get a good amount of gold. This is just another precursor to Ateam putting gold in the shop to buy. And yes I know you can farm crystals for gold, but it's so tiresome.
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Post by Bestron2 Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:36 am

Deathblob wrote:Oh crap. I did not realize they were going to go full retard on this.

The "Revenge" button only appears for fights you lose, if YOU started the battle. It does not appear if someone attacks you and you lose.

So, if someone attacks you, you can't attack them back, not even once.

There is no reason to attack someone a second time after losing on attack, unless you do something stupid like attack without full BP.

What? I got hit by someone, and I can "Revenge" attack them.

I didn't start the battle, but I can counterattack. Maybe something is wrong here?
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Post by Patchouli Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:13 am

I'm a bit disappointed about this change. If I ever lose a battle I usually take some time to give compliments on their formation. Most respond with thanks. A team really underestimated the amount of whiners that play. During one event (den of woe I think...?) I spent 15+ attacks a day banking progs forms. After the event ended I received a plethora of counterattacks, but only 3 or 4 people took the time to rage on my page and farm me. And to be quite honest it was entertaining seeing how worked up they got over one attack.

On another note the new interface on the summons page is quite lovely

-edit- another thing...you get a revenge button for every battle you lose, including attacks you initiate, and only one revenge button for repeat offenders. So you can retaliate against people that have attacked you, unlike what death blob said


Last edited by Patchouli on Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:18 am; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : clarification on revenge button)

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Post by Deathblob Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:52 am

But but but... I'm looking at my frikkin battle screen right now, and there are two guys on top:

ILEXI fought you. You LOST. You lose 189 Gold. 5 hours ago
(no button!)
Krogan fought you. You LOST. You lost 1188 Gold. 2 days ago
(no button!)
..
..
bunch of wins
..
..
You fought Disasterpiece and LOST. You lost 1307 Gold. 3 days ago
(Revenge button)
...

Are the battles you lost new? Maybe it's just a bug with old battles. I'm not hatin' on the change so much if I can revenge any new battles I lose.
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Post by Deathblob Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:10 am

Checked out my iPad:

AMFC333 fought you. You LOST. You lost 463 Gold. 2 days ago.
(Revenge button)
You fought pestilence and WON! You received 166 Gold. 4 days ago.
You fought pestilence and LOST! You lost 1186 Gold. 4 days ago.
(stupid me, forgot how much BP I needed Smile)
Pestilence fought you. You LOST. You lost 2520 Gold. 2 days ago.
(no button)

Maybe those losses in my phone account were actually revenge attacks on me. I'm attacking at least 16 times a day when there's no BP event on.

So I can't get revenge on someone who is getting revenge on me? (Just a theory). How am I supposed to have a vendetta then!?!
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Post by SwtLaotiaNix7 Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:34 am

1 hr ago.
Hf fought u. You lost.

No revenge button. WTF A Team!!!!

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Post by Xcalibre Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:09 am

I wonder if you do not get the revenge button if the level limits kick in . . .
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Post by SwtLaotiaNix7 Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:52 am

Xcalibre wrote:I wonder if you do not get the revenge button if the level limits kick in . . .

Ahhh that must be why I cant revenge back...whoever attacked me earlier prob below level 80

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Post by ryesteve Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:16 pm

Where's the logic in not being able to see someone's formation before deciding if you want revenge? Your attacker was able to get a good look at your formation before initially deciding to attack.

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Post by doublej1965 Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:49 pm

ryesteve wrote:Where's the logic in not being able to see someone's formation before deciding if you want revenge? Your attacker was able to get a good look at your formation before initially deciding to attack.

Yah..What's up with that?

This is a major glitch in my book that needs to be addressed.

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Post by larry378 Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:04 pm

Ya this update is pretty whack.

I have to do all my battles above me to maintain rank (slid from overall 80 to 95 after going on vacation for a few days and only getting in a handful of attacks daily). The only time i ever used battle log is to hit someone who attacked me and lost a lot of gold; to get some more gold from them. Now i cant even do that anymore...
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Post by Scratch102 Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:07 pm

doublej1965 wrote:
ryesteve wrote:Where's the logic in not being able to see someone's formation before deciding if you want revenge? Your attacker was able to get a good look at your formation before initially deciding to attack.

Yah..What's up with that?

This is a major glitch in my book that needs to be addressed.

Ok this makes NO sense. Someone just beat my team, yeah ok fine. They get to see me in the "Battle" screen, check out my formation, W/L ratio, etc etc then attack. All I get is a "Revenge" button with their leader? No clue what guild they are, nothing?

This is seriously a dumb move. How does this make anything better for anyone?
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Post by kyan Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:46 pm

Armitaage wrote:and opening up of being able to attack anyone whose team can beat yours, regardless of level, by the sound of it(the whole revenge thing). idk, that ought to make kyan happy at least, lol.

And yet Ateam fails me again. That would have been the logical implementation but hey what does Ateam know about logic.

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Post by kyan Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:52 pm

JessicaMD wrote:lol what's the point of this update, doesn't everyone just attack people on rank or something?

or are they making it so you just can't SEE people who attacked you but you can counterattack...

which seems pretty pointless, because at some point everyone over level 80 gets farmed by some absolutely ridiculous 5xAA(20) teams by lv 150+ players, not being able to see their level and the rest of their formation and having a "revenge" button seems pretty dumb... at least now when someone fights you, you can take a look at their formation, or compliment them if you have a close battle.

oh well, I guess this'll stop all those people whose panties get all bunched up when someone attacks their progs and feel inclined to throw a hissy fit and spam threats

completely agree. This is a fail implementation all around. Looking at teams that beat you is a great advertisement for the rare AAs and what drives people to spend to get better stuff. Ateam is missing out by getting rid of that.

This is all about those peeps that get their panties in a bunch if they get attack more than once by another player. I'm so sick of people complaining on my wall of farming that they get attack TWICE. Seriously. TWICE!!! Grow a pair and get a better team or stfu. /end rant. I guess these whiners got to Ateam and we end up with this mess.

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Post by yinston Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:43 pm

This change can suck it. Great, some people in this game are dicks. We know. We've all been farmed. Why the F would they make it so you cant review the team that beat you without spending 30k to attack them and lose?? Ohhh wait, ateam hates gold cuz they cant sell it. Ohhhh wait, they do.

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